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Aug-03-14
 | | Stonehenge: Z Sultana vs Ashley, 2014 Black is Christiana Ashley. I'm sorry but I'm getting tired of this kind of unnecessary mistakes. |
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| Aug-03-14 | | zanzibar: I've been looking at Tromso Olympiad 2014 from the "official"(?) source <chessgames> sited. Ugh! The FIDE names aren't normalized, and it's already a bit of a mess. It seems that not only is a <CG> -> <FIDE> mapping necessary, but a <FIDE> -> <FIDE> will be as well. It's going to be an uphill fight for <CG> to sort this out I'm afraid. I hope I'm wrong on this, but...
(I'll try to look at the other sites <stonehenge> mentioned) |
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Aug-03-14
 | | jessicafischerqueen:
<cg, Stony, Zebra>
I'm not sure if this might help, but what about asking the <Olimpbase> gentleman how, when and where he collects the games? Maybe ask him how he sorts out the problems of non-normalized FIDE names? I guess he has the luxury of not having to publish all the games the day after they happen. But maybe he has something helpful to say about this. |
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| Aug-03-14 | | zanzibar: <Jessica> Yes, I'd be curious to how he made his fine collection. Though I would think it likely various sources were used, together with lots of cleanup. I've only recently looked at the direct FIDE releases. There doesn't appear to be any standard. The PGN tags between the <Dubai> and <Tromso> tournaments look different. As far as the names go, I'm inclined to "bite the bullet" and use my massive FIDE list to normalize. That means skipping the FIDE names in the PGN, if possible, and instead use the FIDE id's. I then use the id's to look up the normalized name from my big list. It's actually a good way to go, but heavy, because I have so many names to load at program start (so I was hoping to be able to avoid it, till now). But even then I have to be careful - the Dubai tournaments use <WhiteFideId> for the pgn tag, whereas the Tromso tournaments use <WhiteID>. And to restate - the <Tromso> tournament completely omits the "," in all the FIDE names, and sometimes puts an extra whitespace in front of a name, even for names it almost gets right. |
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Aug-04-14
 | | chessgames.com: <But even then I have to be careful - the Dubai tournaments use <WhiteFideId> for the pgn tag, whereas the Tromso tournaments use <WhiteID>.> Oh my, I hadn't noticed that! Thank you for pointing that out. That is really, really, poor form. I feel like I should make a hack to to the software to look for "WhiteID" then disable it as soon as this tournament is over. In fact, that's exactly what I did. We'll see how the next round processes. <Stonhenge> <I'm sorry but I'm getting tired of this kind of unnecessary mistakes.> I am too, and I just did something about it. We'll see how it goes. The Olympiad should be a fertile bed for testing. |
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Aug-04-14
| | Stonehenge: Thanks.
Actually Z Sultana vs C Ashley, 2014 is http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp... and Sarah Sena vs S Akter Liza, 2014 is http://chess-db.com/public/game.jsp... |
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| Aug-04-14 | | MarkFinan: Pgn4web (?) is now showing the boards in desktop view. It wasn't last week. #Justsaying ✌ |
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| Aug-04-14 | | technical draw: Question: Can I pay my premium membership with a debit card? |
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Aug-04-14
| | chessgames.com: <Stonehenge> I just fixed those games very easily by deleting them and re-importing. <Mark> <Pgn4web (?) is now showing the boards> I assume you mean "not" (instead of "now"). Email me and describe what your screen looks like—or if you know how, make a screen shot. |
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Aug-04-14
 | | Annie K.: Nope, he meant 'now', according to the second sentence. :) |
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Aug-04-14
| | chessgames.com: <technical draw: Question: Can I pay my premium membership with a debit card?> It should work just fine; just enter it like a credit card. Thanks as always for your support. |
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| Aug-04-14 | | technical draw: Thanks, CG. When September comes around I'll re-up. |
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| Aug-04-14 | | MarkFinan: CeeGee.. No. I mean it *is* showing the boards now, whereas last week I tried all the different settings and and the boards still wouldn't display. If I look through games in "mobile" I can't see the the kibitzing underneath! It just looks like a live game, I can send you screenshots if you'd like but I was just letting you know I can now see the boards.. You didn't reply to me so I just figured you'd gone ahead and fixed whatever was wrong. |
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| Aug-04-14 | | The Last Straw: <MarkFinan> I had that same problem on my phone, so I just decided to select "Disable mobile features (even on mobile devices)" on my prefs page. |
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Aug-04-14
| | chessgames.com: Some people have complained that scrolling is impossible on our mobile-mode and therefore it's useless (you need to scroll at least a little bit to get to the buttons.) This isn't quite true, but we understand why people are having problems. You can't scroll normally because the board display has "hot squares" that are used to trigger special functions. If you can grab the page by the header or the names of the players, it actually works. Play, the "Kibitzing" button automatically scrolls you down to the kibitzing. We're working on a way to disable the hot-squares for mobile users. |
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| Aug-04-14 | | zanzibar: So, a question to <CG>. This player seems just-added to <CG> from the <Tromso olm 2014>: Elkhatem Abdel Wahab Since he isn't in my <CG> list I assume he's just been added. But looking at the player's bio, there doesn't seem to be any link to his FIDE card. The question is - why would't a new player be automatically added with FIDE id in place? After all, all players in that tournament have a FIDE id. Who does add the FIDE id to each player?
(I hope it doesn't have to be done by hand for cases like these) |
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Aug-04-14
| | chessgames.com: <zanzibar> Good question, we were actually just discussing that issue here. Understand, it's only been about a month since we first started even looking for WhiteFideID and BlackFideID tags. (Never mind this ad-hoc "WhiteID".) So this scenario, while mundane, is somewhat new for us. The situation of creating a new player record from an unknown FIDE ID is a new one, and you are right--the software should add the FIDE ID to the record, but it does not. We will make a provision soon to add the FIDE number, just like it adds the rating etc. |
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Aug-05-14
| | chessgames.com: OK, done. When we get a new player that we can't identify, and we have to make a new player record, and the PGN happened to include a FIDE number, we assign that ID to the new record. The beauty is that if Elkhatem Abdel Wahab (for example) has games later in the Olympiad with a slightly different name spelling, as so often happens, it will get assigned to the original record. But with power comes responsibility: now we're in the vulnerable position of having erroneous records added. We've already seen games with completely wrong names; did they have completely wrong FIDE numbers as well? What would have happened if they were processed with the new code in place? We may have a new kind of error to cope with. |
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Aug-05-14
 | | WannaBe: New Java update 67 looks good on Win7 and Win8.1, both were able to bring up games with Deluxe Chess Viewer II. |
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Aug-05-14
 | | chancho: Works like a charm. |
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Aug-05-14
| | WannaBe: <chancho> Like a lemming going off a cliff =))) |
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Aug-05-14
| | chancho: Not quite. :-) |
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| Aug-05-14 | | MarkFinan: <The Last Straw: <MarkFinan> I had that same problem on my phone, so I just decided to select "Disable mobile features (even on mobile devices)" on my prefs page.> TLS.. Yeah I saw that option when I was a PM (Of Britain ,-) ) but it puzzled me a little. Now it's fine apart from when I download single games. I used to have the option of opening the pgn file on my engine straight away but now I have to go into my download files off site! It's probably this phone but as far as android phones go this is in the Top 3 you can get so I don't understand because I never had that problem on my old android or early iPhone. |
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| Aug-05-14 | | zanzibar: <Chessgames>
<But with power comes responsibility: now we're in the vulnerable position of having erroneous records added. We've already seen games with completely wrong names; did they have completely wrong FIDE numbers as well? What would have happened if they were processed with the new code in place? We may have a new kind of error to cope with.> Well, I've advocated for a provisional staging of tournament games. I suppose if I were writing the software I'd buffer the gid's (game id's) and also track any new users added from the tournament. The idea would be to allow an easy roll-back if problems should arise. For my own usage, in SCID, I'd filter out the tournament using Event/Site/Date and just delete all the games - then update the DB by reloading the latest PGN from the official tournament site (or TWIC or ...) Of course <CG> needs more handling - since a game has a comment stream, and could be added to collections, etc. So I would use a 1-to-1 mapping of gid <-> pairing, and update accordingly. What is the pairing? The FIDE id pair for a given round. Only if the pairing goes wrong (i.e. go missing) does the game need to be deleted. Otherwise, it just gets updated (i.e. overwritten) if needed from the latest FIDE revision. For each update I would collect the names for each FIDE id, and log any unexpected mappings for manual review. I will say this - FIDE really needs to become more careful, that is, if the Dubai and Tromso tournaments are any indication. Since FIDE is the central authority, any hiccups originating with it amplify and become quite annoying to downstream consumers like <CG>. |
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| Aug-06-14 | | zanzibar: And why, in this game:
Jingyao Tin vs R Vazquez Igarza, 2014
is White's name <Vazquez Igarza, Renier>? Shouldn't <CG> use the canonical <Renier Vazquez Igarza>? (As if my poor program didn't have a hard enough task) |
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