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Oct-25-15
 | | Domdaniel: <offramp> Yes, it was The Squares of the City, by John Brunner - a full-length novel, not a short story. <CG> You were down for about six hours in my continuum. Other sites seemed OK. But I'm not as, eh, *Catholic* as Annie when it comes to following other sites. As it were. |
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Oct-25-15
| | Domdaniel: Oh, and I should say that Mark's concept of "cyber-methadone" (aka electronic Molly) deserves a big "heh". |
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| Oct-25-15 | | zanzibar: This is certainly lower priority than handing outages and/or withdraws... RE: NAG codes
First, thanks <wannabe>. I understand the current situation better. But I have to wonder why <CG> is using pictorial glyphs when there are Unicode characters available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numer... ⩲, ⩱, ±, ∓, +−, −+, ⨀, □, ∞, etc. Maybe the only one missing from the wiki page is the triangle (with the idea) glyph. Let's try colorizing:
<⩲, ⩱, ±, ∓, +−, −+, ⨀, □, ∞, etc.> oh yeah, it works.
(If we had verbatim/pre formatting I could show you how I did it!) |
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Oct-25-15
 | | WannaBe: <Z> my best guess, is that CG's concerned with Unicode not showing up (a)cross browsers and mobile devices. My best guess. |
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Oct-25-15
 | | Annie K.: FWIW, several of those symbols show up as squares for me (running Win XP, and Opera with "Automatic" encoding setting). Then again, there's something to be said for Unicode as opposed to graphic - I don't care about the colorizing issue so much, but the advantage in ability to copy-paste is more significant. |
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Oct-25-15
| | WannaBe: XP?! XP!? |
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Oct-26-15
| | Annie K.: They don't have a law against it yet. :p
I have Win 7 and 8 at work, they are not bad, but I'm in no hurry to leave the relative transparency of XP in favor of an OS where they feel free to hide anything they don't think you should want to change because, well, just because. ;s |
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| Oct-26-15 | | zanzibar: <AnnieK> I have a machine running XP at home, so I'll check on it just for my own curiosity. To complicate matters, browsers also have some setting that does encodings... e.g. Western (Windows-1252) vs Unicode
This gets in the weeds a little. I did the old copy-and-paste of the characters straight from the wiki page... thinking that was safe. I would think, seeing that <CG> is grand-daddy old, that the gif-inserts were set from the early days, and wasn't a deliberate effort to accommodate mobile devices. Could be wrong...
I agree with the copy-and-paste being desirable.
(And XP will always have a soft spot in my heart.) |
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| Oct-26-15 | | jphamlore: Will there be a discussion forum for VIII Grand Slam Masters Final 2015 (Bilbao ESP)
Mon 26th Oct 2015 - Sun 1st Nov 2015?
This event features Anand, Giri, Ding Liren, and Wesley So in a double round robin. |
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Oct-26-15
| | Annie K.: <I would think, seeing that <CG> is grand-daddy old, that the gif-inserts were set from the early days, and wasn't a deliberate effort to accommodate mobile devices.> That would be my guess too. Reminds me of the piece icons (♙♖♘♗♔♕), that were recently changed from graphic to Unicode too. Bilbao official site: http://www.bilbaochess2015.com/ches... No PGN source yet, that I could find. |
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Oct-26-15
 | | chessgames.com: <zanzibar> When Chessgames started the GIF symbols that appear between { braces } was one of the first features. Unicode wasn't invented (or at least not popular) so that was the clever way to do it in 2001. Recently we've switched to Unicode for the pieces, and a few misc. symbols like Δ and ∞ have been converted. But we haven't gotten around to doing the same thing for   and a few other glyphs. I forget what ⨀ means. Is that the zugzwang symbol? I could add that one while I'm at it. |
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Oct-26-15
 | | offramp: <Annie K.: Hmm... other sites seem to be down-ish today too. TCEC has been unreachable for hours now, and on a totally unrelated front, some comics I follow won't load either.> Same here. Also, I did the washing up but there was a teaspoon left in the sink. |
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| Oct-26-15 | | MarkFinan: No word on why people can't login? I'm not sure whether you noticed, but everyone's mentioned it apart from you. |
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| Oct-26-15 | | Alien Math: <I forget what ⨀ means. Is that the zugzwang symbol? I could add that one while I'm at it.> One of the various mathematical symbols, with various other from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathe... |
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| Oct-26-15 | | zanzibar: Yes, the ⨀ is used for Zugzwang.
In Unicode it's call "N-ARY CIRCLED DOT OPERATOR", and has codepoint 0x2a00. And in case you're wondering...
<The large operator variant differs from the small symbol not merely in size but also in semantics: whereas the small operator is binary, meaning that it connects two symbols or expressions, the large operator is N-ary, that is, it is followed by an indexed expression, and typically itself bears an index and exponent to indicate the range of the index set. In other words, the large operator variant is to the small one as U+2211 N-ARY SUMMATION (∑) is to simple binary addition (U+002B PLUS SIGN, +).> http://www.madore.org/~david/comput... And this page has a useful section showing other glyphs it could be confused with... https://codepoints.net/U+2A00?lang=en
(E.g. interpoint and sun are points of confusion)
I don't think the Unicode Consortium has standardized the use of chess NAG symbols, so wiki seems to be the ad hoc standard. |
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| Oct-26-15 | | zanzibar: By the way, I checked my XP system with Firefox and couldn't see the first two glyphs from here... <⩲, ⩱, ±, ∓, +−, −+, ⨀, □, ∞, etc.> Maybe because some of the Unicode glyphs are from a 2002 or later supplement? Ah, who knows. |
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| Oct-26-15 | | zanzibar: Here's a few other symbols used:
□ -- forced
∞ -- unclear or complicated position
⟳ -- moderate time (development) advantage
→ -- has the initiative
↑ -- has the attack
⇆ -- has moderate counterplay
Non-standard NAG's
∆ -- with the idea
⇔ -- file
⇗ -- diagonal
✕ -- weak point (or ×)
⊥ -- ending
All from wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numer... |
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| Oct-26-15 | | parisattack: <MarkFinan: No word on why people can't login? I'm not sure whether you noticed, but everyone's mentioned it apart from you.> Silence is Golden (Tremeloes).
I sympathize as I ran a mission-critical website for quite a few years (webconferencing). We lost a major client when the site went down for three minutes during an IR meeting. |
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Oct-26-15
 | | Penguincw: <cg>, you forgot again that Bilbao uses 3-1-0. :) Bilbao Masters (2015) chessgames.com chessforum |
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| Oct-27-15 | | MarkFinan: ParisAttack.. Don't you think there's something fishy going on when there's been so many outages lately, and the admins of the site are nowhere to be seen, unless it's concerning vital symbols of course!? Maybe these blackouts can't be fixed and Daniel Freeman, or whoever owns the site is thinking of throwing in the towel? Maybe they're just plain ignorant, either way they need to address it. It's not <just> me who's growing frustrated, lots of people are moaning about it. Somehow I don't think no news is good news in this case. |
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| Oct-27-15 | | parisattack: <MarkFinan: ParisAttack.. Don't you think there's something fishy going on when there's been so many outages lately, and the admins of the site are nowhere to be seen, unless it's concerning vital symbols of course!? Maybe these blackouts can't be fixed and Daniel Freeman, or whoever owns the site is thinking of throwing in the towel??> I don't think we're headed for another ChessCafe here - but more communication on the issues would be a positive thing, IMHO. <MarkFinan> I hope all is well on your side of the lily pond as we head once again into the holiday season! |
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Oct-27-15
| | chessgames.com: <more communication on the issues would be a positive thing> Agreed. Maybe a month ago I proudly declared that the problem would be fixed shortly, then said that we had the solution in place. Then the new hardware was found to be incompatible and unstable, and we were forced to swap it back out with the old hardware that's known to be faulty. Of course, we started to go offline sporadically again. I believe I might have made that mistake a second time: I claimed we fixed it, but we didn't. I don't want to make that mistake a third time. Rest assured we are working on it daily. I don't want to make a statement of an ETA because that's proven itself a jinx, but we are working on it daily, and when it truly is properly fixed and has been online for a week to prove it I will then announce success. We are truly sorry for the inconveniences. |
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Oct-27-15
 | | Stonehenge: <Oct-20-15:
Stonehenge: When doing a search for the names 'van' and 'von', I get the message <Sorry, we have no names that exactly match '' in our database.>> This still isn't fixed. |
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| Oct-27-15 | | YouRang: Appreciate the status update. Most people know that mistakes happen (whether it be hardware or human), and that sometimes they are not trivial to resolve. With that being the case, it is best policy to communicate awareness of the problem and report efforts to correct it. If not, people start drifting from "understanding" to "irritated". |
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Oct-27-15
| | offramp: <Stonehenge: <Oct-20-15:
Stonehenge: When doing a search for the names 'van' and 'von', I get the message <Sorry, we have no names that exactly match '' in our database.>> This still isn't fixed.>
Also, a search for Hubner shows that there is only one game available:
Kaprinay vs H Hubner, 1926 |
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