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| Jan-15-16 | | zanzibar: <chessgames> yes, on this score: <Headerless URLs are not a big concern; just don't use them. But of course there's room for improvement.> I think <CG> should adopt the same policy though. Didn't it turn a headless url into a link in the last example I cited? <Perhaps some syntax could mean "this is a literal URL, don't change a byte!"> Yes, I bumped into this one enough so that I'd appreciate it. I think some ideas along these lines would suggest a more general <url> ... </url> or
[url] ... [/url] syntax.
Then it could be extended to
<pre></pre> and maybe even <moves></moves>, that is, when you're ready to allow playable showboards. |
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| Jan-15-16 | | WinKing: <zanzibar> your like a chameleon. I never know what I am going to see next. ;) https://s.yimg.com/fz/api/res/1.2/c... |
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| Jan-15-16 | | zanzibar: <WinKing> ah, that's a lovely pic! |
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| Jan-16-16 | | sonia91: Why don't you create a forum also kfor the Wijk aan Zee B tournament, as you always did in the past? Tournament Index search: "tata steel b" Tournament Index search: "corus b" |
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Jan-16-16
 | | chessgames.com: It's there, Tata Steel (Group B) (2016), we just need to open up the kibitzing. |
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Jan-16-16
 | | MissScarlett: My latest batch of submitted games require your attention. Give it 24 hours, just so it looks like you're doing it in your own time... |
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Jan-16-16
 | | Annie K.: Psst, <cg>... I'd like my extra 9000 chessbucks too plz. Remember I was a qualifier last year, and also asked to postpone it, because I ran the Championship Leg. See Chessgames Bookie chessforum (kibitz #8057). :) Should I just start charging interest, or do I have to send the Loanshark after you?! ;s |
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| Jan-16-16 | | scout118: <cg> I post in support of <Annie K> who should get her 10k qualifying last year. Moreover, let's have the list of prizes out for grabs for this championship leg asap. ;) |
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| Jan-17-16 | | scout118: <cg> I think you gave an additional 10k to <Annie K> in error. She wasn't at 1,806 before the increment. You should have given an additional 9k instead, am I right? |
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Jan-17-16
| | Annie K.: Yes, that's right. That is, I got 1k too much - you gave me 10000 instead of 9000. :) And I appreciate it, but I suppose I can manage with the same starting capital as the other qualifiers... ;) |
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| Jan-17-16 | | WinKing: Keep it...compensation for pain & suffering. ;) |
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| Jan-17-16 | | scout118: C'mon <Bookie>, no favoritism!;) BTW, your scoreboard still reads "Fall Leg Standings". |
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| Jan-17-16 | | WinKing: The 'scoreboard' is controlled by <chessgames>. |
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Jan-17-16
 | | Penguincw: Speaking of scoreboard, what's the tiebreaker? Let's just say User A and User B both have 5000 cbs. Who gets placed ahead of the standings, and why? |
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| Jan-17-16 | | zanzibar: <CG> - are you able to handle odds and two move games? If so, how do I denote the passed move?
SCID can do this with the "-" notation, in the PGN. Can we do the same? |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: [Deleted post - SCID does allow "odds and two move" games. Just have to be careful when editing the setup board to get the castling privileges right] |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: Example of "Odds and Two Moves" game:
<[Event "Odds Match"]
[Site "London(?)"]
[Date "1854.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Green, Valentine"]
[Black "Lowe"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[EventDate "1854.??.??"]
[Source "Chess Player's Chronicle v15 (1854) p266"]
[Note "Odds and two move game - part 1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr /ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]1.e4 -- 2.d4 e6 3.c4 c6 4.f4 Bb4+ 5.Nc3 Nh6 6.Bd3 Qa5 7.Qc2 O-O 8.Nf3
Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 c5 10.e5 cxd4 11.Bxh7+ Kh8 12.Nxd4 Nc6 13.O-O Qc5 14.Qd3
d5 15.exd6 Qxd6 16.a4 Qc7 17.Ba3 Rd8 18.Rad1 e5 19.Nb5 Rxd3 20.Nxc7
Rxd1 21.Rxd1 Bg4 22.Nxa8 Bxd1 23.Be4 exf4 24.Bxc6 bxc6 25.a5 Be2 26.
c5 and the game was ultimately drawn 1/2-1/2> Note I had to corrupt the FEN since we don't have a preformat escape for posting. |
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Jan-18-16
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <zanzibar> Chessgames already has several "material and X moves" games (e.g. Szen vs La Bourdonnais, 1836 and A Delannoy vs Morphy, 1859), though the formats used are not entirely consistent. In all cases, though, the unanswered spare move(s) are indicated as part of the setup FEN as in the example below: [Event "Delannoy - Morphy Construction"]
[Site "Paris FRA"]
[Date "1859.??.??"]
[EventDate "1859.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Alphonse Delannoy"]
[Black "Paul Morphy"]
[ECO "000"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "56"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"] 1. f4 {This is not a real Morphy game until 22... Rfe8. The
following is the "Alexander G. Sellman" construction of the
missing moves that were presented with the ending in Maroczy's
game 399, a brilliant feat of retro-analysis. The opening
score is supposition, only the ending was known} e6 2. Nf3 c5
3. c4 Bd6 4. e5 Bc7 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. d3 d6 7. exd6 Qxd6 8. Be2
Nd4 9. Nxd4 cxd4 10. Na4 Nf6 11. c5 Qd8 12. O-O O-O 13. Bd2
Bd7 14. b3 Be8 15. Qc1 Nh5 16. Bxh5 Bxh5 17. Qb1 Qd5 18. b4
Bg6 19. f5 exf5 20. Qc1 Rae8 21. Bf4 Re2 22. Rf2 { This is the
position and following are the known scores that have
survived.} Rfe8 23. Bxc7 Rxf2 24. Kxf2 Re2+ 25. Kxe2 Qxg2+
26. Ke1 Qg1+ 27. Ke2 Bh5+ 28. Kd2 Qf2# 0-1
(Note in passing that I didn't need to corrupt the FEN; all I did was replace one of the slashes with "/", which becomes a normal slash again with copy-paste.) |
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Jan-18-16
 | | WannaBe: <CG.com> On the home page, TATA's group A and group B are not clear (unless you know the players) Can you add "Group B" to the second header? |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: <Switch> thanks for those examples, exactly what I'm talking about. The hack you suggest is workable, but has four drawbacks: 1) You can't play the moves over from the beginning properly. 2) The exact move order of White's beginning moves will be unclear, not that it exactly matters. 3) The situation of play won't be clear to a random viewer of the game, sans explanation. E.g. There's a small point of confusion which also can arise, insofar as some historical tournaments also begin from a fixed position (i.e. a fixed opening). 4) Perhaps the most serious drawback is that the move numbering will not match the historical record. |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: <Switch> are you opposed to <CG> having some explicit preformatting escape for comments? Wouldn't that be a better and more general solution than having to hand edit PGN, looking for comments, subvariations, FEN's, and every <CG> escape code, all the while having to memorize magic codes like: <[ ] { } < > /> = <[ ] { } < > /> etc. etc.?
BTW- It's a pain to even put the above code in, having to use & for &. |
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Jan-18-16
| | SwitchingQuylthulg: <zanzibar: The situation of play won't be clear to a random viewer of the game, sans explanation.> The explanation will be useful anyway; using a different notation format won't change that. <Perhaps the most serious drawback is that the move numbering will not match the historical record.> That's what I alluded to when I said the formats used were not entirely consistent - in some of the games in this database the first numbered move is <2.whatever>, while in others it's <1.whatever>. pgn4web can handle both formats, though BabasChess choked on 2.whatever when I tried to view the games with it. <<Switch> are you opposed to <CG> having some explicit preformatting escape for comments?> Not necessarily, no; but it would have to be implemented with care. Simply turning off diagrams and chess graphics should be fairly safe, but turning off all CG formatting would not necessarily be; at a minimum, the HTML filter and the Systematic Obscenity Auto-Purger would have to remain active. Even if that weren't a problem, I'm not sure how much such a feature would really help; it would just be another workaround to accomplish the same things as existing workarounds. Undoubtedly some users - you, for one - would find it more accessible than existing workarounds; but like all technical workarounds, it would still only ever be used by a small minority of Chessgames users. I'm not saying it's a bad idea - but I'd rather see the admins spend their limited coding time on some other feature; the embedded playable boards you've called for, say, or improved player searching with no stopwords, support for non-English letters and a biographer-editable redirect database. |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: <Switch> have you ever used a SMF (Simple Machines) forum? Say, like doing posts on <ChessTempo.com>? Or done a blog on <Wordpress>? I wouldn't exactly call <pre></pre> a work around. It's very standard HTML. About as basic as you can get:
http://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_p... |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: RE: Null moves in PGN.
<pgn4web supports PGN null moves in the -- notation (used by a number of chess tools like scid and chessbase), such as in 1. e4 -- 2. d4
Note the equivalent <> nullmove notation is currently not supported by pgn4web.> See "null moves support" section of help:
http://sourceforge.net/p/pgn4web/wi...
Link referenced by pgn4web:
http://www.enpassant.dk/chess/palvi... |
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| Jan-18-16 | | zanzibar: At enpassant, one does find this unfortunate wrinkle: <With Palview4 we now support ChessBase's own method of representing a Null Move in PGN, namely using two consecutive dashes --. We recommend using the two dashes in order to keep in line with ChessBase's own software, but you can still use the older Palview3 <> as well.> |
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