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Feb-26-16
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Annie> indeed an accurate post on <Morf>, as usual. As you say, <Morf's> past record indicates that it's worthwhile pointing this out to him. He has a long history of congenial and valuable posts on chess, classical music and other worthy topics. Sadly, like me and many others in the past, and no doubt future, <Morf> is stuck on an extended "one issue rant." <Morf> let it go man. The website wants the puns and you're tilting at windmills. I speak from experience on this kind of thing. I'm one of the worst offenders on becoming obsessed with extended Quixotic rants at this website. For me, at the end of the day, it has rarely, if ever, been worth it. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Tabanus: <CG> Your site is bigger than yourself. Have you considered preserving it for eternity? I know nothing about this topic, but searched the net and it seems the Library of Congress may be an option. You can ask them here: https://www.loc.gov/webarchiving/co..., and probably they could advice you further. If it's expensive to do it, perhaps make a donation page for this purpose? I'd be happy to pay an extra amount. Just an idea. To have one's writings saved for eternity might have two consequences: 1) chatters might become more conscious about what they write, and 2) serious authors might be encouraged to write more here. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> a lot of the site is already archived at the wonderful WayBack Machine: https://web.archive.org/web/*/http:... :) |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Tabanus: <Annie K.> Thanks, indeed. I tried to click on Jan 1 and Jan 15, and found that the last post in the Bistro was from Sept. 15. Why not until Jan. 1/15? Anyway, it seems the TI events were there, and games could even be played through. Am I right? But how eternal is this "Wayback machine"? As long as CG pays for it? Or until the next Big Bang? |
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Feb-27-16
 | | MissScarlett: The ISO 3-letter code for Denmark is DNK. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> the WayBack Machine is completely free, and it's about as eternal as the internet itself. :) They have bots (aka "spiders") that keep returning to their indexed sites every now and then, and making more backups. It's also possible to request from them a manual backup of any page, though the way to do that changes now and then, so it's best to just go there, request the page you want backed up, and see how it can be done at the moment. Note that it is also extremely useful in helping to reconstruct anything that has been corrupted, by looking up pre-corruption versions of the page. :) |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Domdaniel: <rage against puns> - (Thank you, Alien Math) - <CG> - <I have a notion to solve all the kvetching once and for all, with a new preference option called "suppress GOTD puns".> How about an option to "suppress BAD GOTD puns"? A simple AI routine could sort bad from good. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Tabanus: <Click ... to view the Library of Congress Web Archives, displayed (naturally) via Wayback Machine.> Well if it's good enough for them, why not for us. Still I wonder, who/what is CG's Wayback Machine. I suppose the machine itself does not preserve things for us, there must be some people behind its buttons. Or even better, an institution. I read it's owned by Amazon.com. Interested in chess, are they? Or only as long as CG pays for it? Or does Amazon preserve everything by themselves, just for the fun of it? Or for mankind, sponsored by a government? I have a million questions. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> The WayBack Machine welcomes donations, but nobody has to pay them anything to have their site archived. And you don't have to be the site's owner to request pages of it to be backed up either, anybody can ask for a backup of any page. They just assume that if a page in interesting for one person, it may be of value to others as well. :) I believe the way they decide (other than by direct requests) what to archive, is just by following links from one page to another, and so on. This is, for the most part, done automatically, not every page gets reviewed by people to decide on its worth. However, ;) please don't knock yourself out now trying to get the WayBack Machine to archive this entire site manually! They are doing a pretty good job on their own. There was a time when <cg> blocked their spiders by accident, so some backups from that time will be missing, but all is well now. :) |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Tabanus: Until when? So in 100 years from now, when Daniel is dead and CG no longer exists, there will be no problem in finding our stuff here? Apart from the obvious, that we are then dead ourselves :) I hope Google cooperates, so that googling hits the Wayback stuff. |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> The lifespan of the Internet is as much eternity as can be expected. ;) Just don't forget to live some in the present meanwhile too! :) |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Tabanus: <Annie K.> Eternal life, completely for free? I don't believe a word of it :) <CG> Please clarify. Serious kibitzers want to know. Or they'll write in the newspapers and magazines and rely on the libraries. And use this site only for fun. Do we pay for having fun, or for eternal life? |
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Feb-27-16
 | | Annie K.: Heheh. OK, the internet is hardly going to be eternal, but I'll play... :D We pay for having fun, of course! Eternal life is <always> free, according to every single religion and philosophy I know of. Show me one that says you can buy it! ;) Speaking of libraries, they have been known to burn down... and I can also relate that my mother threw out a lot of her old books a few years ago, because she says she had developed an allergy to old paper. :\ Whereas I've never heard of an allergy to old pixels. :) If it makes you feel better, though, consider that by paying a membership to <cg>, you are helping support it so that it can host your posts until the WayBack Machine gets around to archiving them. ;) But I'd like to say this again, to you and all our other historians - you spend a lot of time recording the past for the future... it would be good for you to pay some attention to the present too. :) |
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| Feb-27-16 | | sonia91: Women's World Championship Match starts in 2 days in Lviv: http://www.lviv2016.fide.com |
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| Feb-27-16 | | zanzibar: <chessgames> OK, this is one is technical... Paulsen vs Blackburne, 1873 (kibitz #43) |
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| Feb-27-16 | | zanzibar: <chessgames> what about this one? Anderssen vs J Heral, 1873
It ends in mate, not check.
This is trivial stuff, one might think, but it gets flagged when I try to automatically check the integrity of <CG> games against other sources. I view this as part of <CG>'s responsibility to get the PGN right - given its role as provider of games to the great unwashed. And these little dings add up - they certainly are making it just that much more difficult for me. |
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| Feb-28-16 | | morfishine: Today's game title 'Fo Shizzl my Nissl' really needs to be removed for basic racist reasons. I can understand how it slipped through though T Nissl vs Tarrasch, 1932 |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Tabanus: <Annie K.> We do pay attention to the present, only we don't post about it here on CG. So by paying membership fees, the machine gets paid for. Does it also have a physical location - is there even a picture of it? Sorry for all these questions, but the picture search was not entirely convincing: https://www.google.no/search?q=%22W... |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Tabanus: There seems to be a dozen or so wayback machines. 365Chess apparently uses http://archive.is/. Hopefully they will all last forever. |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Annie K.: <Tab> let me clarify that there's no affiliation between the WayBack Machine and <cg>. <cg> didn't sign up or choose to be backed up by the WayBack Machine. The WayBack Machine is an enormous project - it simply records, if not the entire Internet, then still a lot of it, over and over! You can find just about any site there. :) |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Tabanus: <Annie K.> Ok you almost gets me... :) Still I'd like to know who's running it, and where, and why, and for how long. If it's government sponsored, I supposed it's more than a couple of shabby geeks who want to earn money. Is it a library, so to speak? |
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| Feb-28-16 | | zanzibar: <Tab> That effort is fairly open and transparent and well-known to all us geeks out here on the net.
You can easily find out everything you want by just doing a quick google search. You might want to go back a little to get the full history. Start your search with <Internet Canivore>. So, not to worry, everthing you ever wrote on the internet, and every will write, will be preserved. |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Annie K.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayba... |
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Feb-28-16
 | | Tabanus: Ah yes, googling! Let's see:
<The Wayback Machine is a digital archive of the World Wide Web and other information on the Internet created by the Internet Archive.> Founded by Brewster Kahle in 1996, the Internet Archive <is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit operating in the United States. It has an annual budget of $10 million> <A 501(c)(3) or 501c3 organization, also colloquially known as a 501c3, is a United States nonprofit organization that has been approved by the Internal Revenue Service> <The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) is the revenue service of the United States federal government.> |
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| Feb-28-16 | | morfishine: <Annie K.> Nice try, but do not patronize me, its a waste of time ***** |
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