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Sep-12-08
 | | Domdaniel: I loved it too. Discreetly.
Now excuse me while I put concreet shoes on and jump off a cliff in Creet. |
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| Sep-12-08 | | boz: <Domdaniel> Thanks for the RonL. stories over in <Woody>'s forum. Interesting stuff. Wonder how many Scientologists got the fair game treatment. Any missing out there? You've got to admire a guy who runs his religion on the open sea. I confess to a weakness for the mesiannic types. Especially the misguided ones. Maybe they start out as charlatan's but when people start believing them, I think they start believing too. "Hey, maybe I wasn't lying after all...god is one tricky devil writing on my bones all the time so I thought I was making it up." I had a kind of fascination for Crowley back in the 70s. Mainly owing to the costumes and the women. But he did climb part way up Kanchenjunga and Chogo Ri. First rate raconteur and he did play chess. For this reason I miss madlydeeply's old beast avatar. I agree, however, that the new guy he wears is more forceful. |
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Sep-12-08
 | | Domdaniel: <boz> Yeah, that sounds like a typical messiah career path. When he was a hack sci-fi writer Hubbard is supposed to have said "If I wanted to get really rich I'd found a religion". Then he kinda slid into it sideways -- his book on Dianetics was aimed at the sort of people who'd be into neurolinguistic programming (etc) today - presented as a set of scientific discoveries with the aim of maximizing human potential. This naturally interested various psychic explorers like Huxley and Burroughs ... but Hubbard gradually added more cult-like controlling elements. I suppose he started to believe in his own centrality. I'm interested in the way that new religions often adopt current scientific beliefs and technology, but then freeze them as dogma while science marches on. Christian Science is 19th century pre-Darwin vitalism with Christ bolted on. Scientology, for many years, used 'sacred devices' called E-meters to 'process' their members. In fact they were crude 1940s lie detectors which measured galvanic skin resistance. "Have you ever held negative thoughts about Ron?"
- Uh, no, of course not.
"I got a read on that. Repeat. Have you ever held negative thoughts about Ron?" [after 150 'reads' subject confesses he was planning an assassination. The auditor unplugs the E-meter. "Fair game", he says.] .... Fascinating things, religions. I've sometimes thought of inventing one myself, but I think I lack the hubris. I could easily concoct a theology, but I could never take either me or it seriously. Then again, power corrupts. Hubbard's Sea Org was run and staffed by a core group of young women. Apart from their, well, *decorative* qualities, Ron maintained they made the best fanatics. A Faith called Frogspawn? Maybe it could be based on *fear* of frogs ... hmm, let me see. btw, Gore Vidal's novel 'Messiah' is a brilliant fictional description of how the process works. |
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| Sep-12-08 | | boz: <A Faith called Frogspawn? Maybe it could be based on *fear* of frogs ... hmm, let me see.> Can I be your Judas? I could really use the money. |
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Sep-12-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Niels> -- <Re Klankkeuren/Klangenfarben> -- Thanx. I've dug out the key text on synaesthesia and similar phenomena: <The Mind of a Mnemonist> by A.R. Luria. It's about a man who saw, felt and tasted sounds, as well as having an amazing memory - he could use the synaesthetic links as a mental memory map, though the sheer volume threatened to overwhelm him. "What a crumbly yellow voice you have", he says - missing the sense of what is being said. Luria, the great Russian psychologist, worked with him, studied him, talked with him for years, and wrote this unique, insightful book. My old 1968 paperback - its 'voice' is growing crumbly and yellow too - starts by saying "Alexandr Romanovich Luria is one of the few Soviet psychologists who enjoys the esteem of psychologists outside the Marxist sphere of influence". *Cold Wars in a Stout Cortex* ...?
<Russian topic #2> You know, I'm sure the idea of an opening <tabia> (or tabiya). A 'start position', agreed by both players, maybe around move 10 or 15. The basic idea is that those first 10 moves (apart from major variations with their own tabia) are agreed to be best - the tabia is where players get down to business. The word and concept figured prominently in Russian chess literature. Russian writers still use it -- but I've rarely seen it on this site, and it seems to be losing whatever currency it had outside Russian. Is that just a linguistic thing? Or does it reflect a newer way of thinking about openings, perhaps driven by engine research? A tendency to evaluate moves singly, rather than 'chunking' them? In my own games, I know some 15-move-plus tabia lines, especially in the French after 3.Nc3 Bb4 -- Winawer, SWARM -- and 3.Nd2 c5 -- Tarrasch. But I find they only tend to happen against players rated over 2200: the others deviate earlier, either to get out of the book or because they don't know it. Maybe the tabia is just another mnemonic device after all. Like a repertoire, as I was saying. A big crumbly yellow repertoire ... |
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| Sep-13-08 | | achieve: That's all mightily interesting, <Dom>. Well, you're right, Chess looks to be perfectly suited for being dressed up by all kinds of our mnemonic devices, innit? I don't for the life of me know how the Top players memorize their 'tabiya set'... Funny thing, but I participated in a Thematic Tourny, at Gameknot, where you have a given number of moves, and all play starts from there. I entered a Smith Morra, which as you may guess came out of my nose after several weeks of o-n-l-y S-M lines... But in retrospect I am more positive on the experience; I now have a bulk of experience in the main line, but can not remember ONE SINGLE eight-move line anymore; I'd have to see what *does* come up when playing through a few of those games, prolly a lot, actually, but without a few of those scores It'd be hard to come up with a tabiya... I know it's "in there" -- but how to dig it up without a peek at the score? My musical memory is stupendous, though; I have easier access to those 'files'. <The Mind of a Mnemonist> I'm dying to read the book following your introduction. Why don't I throw my TV set out the window and start reading some books for a change, eh? The bloody sports I "need" to keep up with... I'm ready for CHANGE! Well, it IS an option, to be honest. |
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| Sep-13-08 | | achieve: And considering that Oliver Sacks is one of my favourite authors, it should be a 'must' for me to read the Luria book. Fragments of my Sm-Morras are coming up BTW, one for example because I "proudly" posted about it in your forum, a rather long while back... Memory access is never random... The storage is in 'clusters'. I studied a book named 'Bad Cluster Elimination', but ironically my memory of that period is rather hazy. |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I "analyzed" a recent <twinlark> game in my forum where he beat a guy 300 points higher than him. Will you take a look if you get a chance?
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: hey <Dom> check out this guy-
<Interests: Music (mainly Rock, Blues, and Heavy Metal), Poker, Hearts, History, Philosophy, Theology, Astrology, Numismatics, Personalities, etc...I also enjoy different kinds of Tea.> satch boogie chessforum He seems like <frogspawn> material to me... |
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Sep-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> OK, I get the hint. Us 'old hands' are boring you, and you want me to get out there and do some active recruiting. Good practice for the new religion too.
Did you know I can speak fluent Numismatic? I was being flexible with the truth when I told Woody that, like Karpov, I was into Marxism and stamp collecting, aged eleven. It was Marxism and coin collecting. <boz> As you see, I used to collect pieces of silver. But they were all stolen by a burglar years ago. Would Judas take an IOU? |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: <Did you know I can speak fluent Numismatic> Dommie saves his numies on a window in his room
(A marvel to be seen: dysentery green)
While Jessie & her buddies had a game out in the back:
LET'S MAKE THE WATER TURN BLACK |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> of course not. However, <Deffi> is in the middle of publishing an <Important analysis> of <Twinlark's> triumph over a 2400 + rated guy in my forum!! |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: he might have to lose a few pounds for the part of Bronstein http://www.imdb.com/media/rm8447331... |
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Sep-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> Face it, you're a natural proselytiser. I bet you're on a secret missionary mission to Korea. A sort of super-mormon-jesuit from the Cult With No Name. That's not 'English' you're teaching, is it? It's a human computer language. You're wiring your pupils with a neurolinguistic virus. And one day you'll boot them up ... Since I'm in the same business, narrative logic says we either join forces or fight to the death. I vote for joining up -- but we'll need a new antagonist to struggle against. Also, one of us may get killed, at least temporarily. I volunteer, cos I'm secretly riddled with quantum weirdness anyway. |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: I've been to Korea
from a cult with no name
It felt good to to eat Pork just the same.... |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Deffi of the knows every lyric to every pop song ever written> America!! heh-- Dewey Bunnel wrote that song.
My brother used to listen to that record all the time. |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: heh! yeah... btw there is an interesting engine match going on between me and Exodus.. but funny thing is neither of us are playing the moves the engines suggest heh! |
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Sep-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> - <Computers are like men... I USE THEM EVERY DAY BUT THEY ARE VERY IRRITATING!! > Heh. How about "Computers are like women - they need regular updating" ...? |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom>
I don't joke about Proselytizing, as I regard it to be the most obnoxious form of behavior possible. Here in Korea it is especially obnoxious with regard to the Baptist and Mormon strains of the Christian Church. It reminds me of the movie <Idiocracy> where the great unwashed have tons of kids and educated people have only a few, till the world devolves to the point that society no longer knows how to work anything. Here, the Buddhists, who don't proselytize, are losing out to the aggressive public relations efforts of <The Christian Church Incorporated>. The Catholics here aren't so pushy-
Of course they used to be, back in the day.
180 years of the worst endemic warfare in European history. Catholics v. Protestants.
It disgusts me to the point of puking.
I will join <Deffi> in quoting some appropriate pop music lyrics-- <Crosby Stills Nash Young>, "Cathedral" "so many people have died in the name of Christ, I can't believe it all..." The grotesque irony, of course, is that Christianity, by and large, as practiced by humans, has little or nothing to do with the supposed teachings of "Christ." Love your enemy, most saliently.
On the other hand, it's a nice evening. Let's party!! |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Updating>
Ok that's another thing.
I don't want any more "updates" on my stinking software. The very second I actually figure out how to use the software I have they force me to update it and then I don't know what's going on again. What about "downdates" instead?
I dated a guy who suffered from depression once. We had lots of "downdates." I don't recommend it.
Mrs. I'm a Nun now
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Deffi>
What page do I go to see your game against <Exodus starring Paul Newman>? How do you know that the opponent isn't choosing the moves his computer gives him? I want to see too. |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: eXodus chessforum
play through the games, with or without an engine, either way they are interesting.. some moves are obvious <computer> moves... like my Ra5 (still dont understand it but I could not find anything better) so the verdict.. computers are still some way off positional chess |
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| Sep-13-08 | | Red October: though of course it would be improper to discuss the games as they are in progress |
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Sep-13-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Thanks <HMS Defiance>!! I'm going in for a look... |
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Sep-13-08
 | | Domdaniel: "His eyes were two slits
Make any snake proud
With a face that any painter would paint
As he walked through the crowd
Worshipping a god
With the body of a woman well endowed
And the face of a hyena ..."
Hmm. May have to change that to 'Frog' ...
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