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Oct-23-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mack> Ah. So. Do people actually have to, well, *die* before CG uses their quotes? I only ask because I'm allegedly in that list myself, and ... hmmm. Hmmm indeed. There are fictional possibilities here, almost Bayleyesque. A chess website that kills people by quoting them ... Quite unlike the home life of our dear old CG, of course. |
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| Oct-23-08 | | mckmac: How about a chess website where the evil/honourable/mischevious/sodden webmaster,through the judicious use of quotation,simply takes an 'active' part in the daily community life. |
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Oct-23-08
 | | Domdaniel: <mckmac> Yes, but ... I reckon that "daily community life" would turn out to be a sinister fake, as in The Truman Show or Phil Dick's 'Time out of Joint'. Smile, folks, you're part of a vast social experiment: 'Temporal transmission of sockpuppet vectors in virtual chess communities: some preliminary observations' ... Paranoid, moi? |
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| Oct-23-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Just saw you straightening out some 'stubborn computer-believers' in the Anand-Kramnik game <Dom>. Well done. They are indeed the scourge of modern chess! Hopefully it should be all systems go for tomorrows game. If Kramnik doesn't attack now he might as well junk the match,...... and I might even have to re-theorize on the size of his 'junk', which did not come out very impressive in the first calculation I can tell you. |
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Oct-23-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Woody> I reckon there are only two possible outcomes now: (1) Kramnik pushes too hard, loses again, and goes down 0-4 or 0-5, and (2) Kramnik manages to pull one back but goes down 3-1 anyway. Twelve games is simply too short. A match should be at least long enough for a player who grabs an early lead to tire -- like a runner going out too fast in a marathon. Karpov did that against both Korchnoi and Kasparov, but those matches had 24 games or more. But I also think Anand was simply hungrier to win. He may have been FIDE world champ 2 or 3 times, but until you've won a match against <the man who shot Liberty Valance>, it don't count... |
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| Oct-23-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: That seems like a fair assessment I think <Dom>. I remember Karpov used to go 'all-out' to try to win against Kasparov towards the end of their matches, it never worked completely but it gave some good games and cemented his legacy as a fighting player. If Kramnik comes out and plays drawish chess, and again starts offering the draws first, it will be even worse for him than losing more games in a good fight. Do you check on chessbase.com anytime? their coverage of this match is so one-sided it stinks! I understand them taking Kramnik's side with the whole Topalov affair, but to use 'This is a great tragedy in the making' as a lead quote is ridiculous. Anand deserves the credit, he has played the best chess and Kramnik has played well but been beaten by the better man. |
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Oct-23-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Woody> They really called it a tragedy in the making? Wow. I'm flabbergasted, but I suppose I shouldn't be. Maybe they're just big Shakespeare fans. We had a <history play> when Kasparov was beaten, a <comedy> in toiletgate, and now a <tragedy> to complete the set. Unless somebody can think of a way to relate a chess match to a sonnet. "Shall I compare thee to a Shakespeare play?
- No way." |
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| Oct-23-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Well <Dom>, if anybody can think of a way to relate a chess match to a sonnet then my money is on you. Although Kramnik is going to need more than a couplet to turn this match around. A quatrain of wins will only do now, but it seems his train is late,
(in Germany of all places),and we all know that isn't the way he rolls anyhow! He should have listened when people said it can be awfully handy to be able to win with black... |
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Oct-23-08
 | | Open Defence: thank God Vlad aint Japanese, real loss of face this is... he'll be reaching for the short sword soon |
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| Oct-23-08 | | achieve: <Dom>: <Twelve games is simply too short. A match should be at least long enough for a player who grabs an early lead to tire -- like a runner going out too fast in a marathon.> Of course, like many, I couldn't agree more. Until now I hadn't succeeded in explaining the Classiscal WCC format - in comparison to other sports and their formats on deciding who is "The Best" - at a certain point in time... What seems to jerk a reasonable comparison outta whack, is the simple fact of the <length> - i.e. the duration - of the 24 game match/duel. It takes upto several months, which is very uncommon in other sports involving two rivals: the champ and the challenger... But in terms of the <dynamic ebb and flow> of the competition and encounter, each Game, played, is in fact identical to EG <one service game> in Tennis, with the one serving having White, so to speak. 1) Start each game with a clean slate, that is 0-0, and add won games to the total, as in Tennis six won games grants you the winning of a set. 2) The towel down and the change of ends after each twin set of games, much alike the rest day after the one White, one Black each, we have here in Bonn this time... 3) Same as in Golf, where the World Matchplay Champion is decided over 36 holes, played over one or two days, and each hole both rivals tee off under the same conditions, one with "the honor" to hit the first ball on that hole, and the other with the honor at the next... Analogous to the starting position for each game in chess. So the only thing that gives the Looong Classical 24 games format the dysproportionate drawn out "boring", long feel, is the absolute time spent in direct confrontation.... Again, it is just relative, and as in the slowed down Chess Universe, each move made is like one ball hit, analog(ous) to tennis or Golf... This 12 Game format is basically like a French Open final over <just one set> - and very frustrating, in a way, that this change has been pushed through our throats by the unholy powers of media presentation, attention and the " sexiness" of chess, in order to attract a broader audience and more sponsor interest and contracts. Just a few thoughts, but a 24 game match- or even a < "first to 12 wins" > seems more natural than this current format. |
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| Oct-24-08 | | achieve: PS - and of course, as <Dom> mentioned, some dynamic has been taken out through the 12 games format; like in any sport, players hit a "hot streak" - have a psychological edge, riding a wave -- but now there is no (hardly any) "room" or space, for Kramnik to regroup and mount a spirited come-back. Some "discretion," as discussed earlier here with <mckmac>, seems to have evaporated by this little number of games. Diminishing space ---> freedom ---> discretion... I liked that quote. Utterly brilliant. |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Somebody with similar maxims called Jess a "witch"> Hmm... on the advice of my <special counsel> I have 90000000000 people on Ignore, so it could be anyone. What's wrong with being a witch?
Robin Days has a hedgehog named <witch>. |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: < Ta. I also had better Emu her maj promptly or she may never speak to me again.
Since that nice Ms Palin
>
Heh never worry about that.
<ROC ON!>
Emus come and emus go.
But a pint of plain is your only man |
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Oct-24-08
 | | Open Defence: <What's wrong with being a witch? > dangerous occupation in New England.... |
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Oct-24-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess: I have 90000000000 people on ignore> That works out as 14F46B0400 in <Hexadecimal>, the number system used by witches. So you can't be a witch.
QED. |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: heh- did you read <QBVII>? QED always reminds me of that for some reason.
QUEEN'S BENCH 7- THE GRIPPING |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Help I want to shoot wolves from helicopters too!
Does that make me a bad person?
I need to know...
Jessica Palin |
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Oct-24-08
 | | Open Defence: it all depends, can you see Russia from Canada ? |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: No, we can't.
Also, you can't buy a <telescope> in Canada. PM Stephen Harper has banned them.
It's the first law the new government has passed!!
(it's a fact!) |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Whoa it appears that <Frogspawn> and <The MInistry of Silly Talks> are "popular with the E-Ladies" tonight... What's their secret? |
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| Oct-24-08 | | achieve: They do not interrupt and sometimes react, on rare occasion -- That's the non-secret part...
Whoa to you to -- emu coming in tomorrow! |
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Oct-24-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: A timely appearance by the <Blue Elephant of Love>, with flightless fowl in hand.... But |
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| Oct-24-08 | | achieve: But WHAT!!!
Ahh, yes, of course -- I will answer that too, Mrs Fischer Love III (Lotsa good news!!...) |
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| Oct-24-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: < jessicafischerqueen: Help I want to shoot wolves from helicopters too! Does that make me a bad person?
I need to know...
Jessica Palin>
Well after already spending $500,000 on a new wardrobe for Palin, there was no way McCain was going to BUY her another coat! |
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Oct-24-08
 | | Domdaniel: <Jessica Palin> Remember you don't have to marry the guy, no matter what the Republicans say. |
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