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| Jan-03-11 | | crawfb5: It seems to me that what's throwing people is the voting is going for posts that are predominantly in a language other than English, so that's why they're unfamiliar with the nominee. OTOH, he's an <IM>, so I don't need to be able to read Tagalog to know he's probably a very good analyst. Sure, the BW <could> decide to sweep everything, but at some point others lose interest. I'd understand Tagalog humor even less well than Tagalog analysis (it'd be like reading the old Russian magazines -- follow the moves and eventually pick up a few key phrases). Not that many people vote for these things and even if it all fell apart, it wouldn't be the end of the site as we know it. Pity the poor politician suddenly confronted with a new voting bloc, especially if he has a poor grasp of the bloc's core issues. When the rules change suddenly, it can be disorienting, and I think we're seeing a bit of that. Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe it's a bad thing. Maybe it's just a thing. The only constant is change. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Sometimes it's best to just tag along with change. |
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| Jan-03-11 | | crawfb5: When Doreen complains about the number of coins in my pocket, I tell her, "Some of us need change more than others." |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: OK, I'll try.
Lert Alert: there are no (conscious) ironies in the following sentence (that's the sentence that will start when this one finally ends, and in the meantime I should point out that while I can *try* to suspend ironies I cannot in any sense guarantee their absence, and the thing will probably be crawling with metaphors, hysteron proterons, and stray bits of rhetorical baggage, sabe?). *While I think that something is happening, I do not think that the thing that is happening is the kind of thing about which something needs to be done.* Phew. Ist klar? And if Geurgle is sophisticated enough to 'translate' my ramblings into any known human language, it deserves the franchise. Mr Jones |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> I also think that only very, very occasionally does something actually *need* to be done about anything -- not unless, I dunno, you want to make the world a better place, something like that? |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Annie K.: Well, I <am> tired, so take that into account... ;p And there are lotsa factors here. On the one hand, theoretically it's clearly "off" to name somebody as a main contributor to this site, when this person chooses to contribute, not to the site overall, but only a sharply defined subset thereof - which subset then appears to aggressively promote their favorite, regardless of the clear inappropriateness of awarding such an <exclusive> contributor a "title" that is meant to be a recognition to <site-wide> valuable members. Btw, <Dom>, I'll try to go into the exact nature of the difference, which you mentioned generally, between the phenomenon of <voting for friends> and the <tribal voting> one: it's a matter of causality. Yup, most people do honestly believe that their friends are the best (at whatever); however, the fine distinction lies in the manner in which these friends were <selected> in the first place. In the tribal model, "friends" are selected by geographical/ethnic criteria alone first, and the bias in favor of them follows. In this model, clearly the contention that someone is favored "just because he's a friend" stings because it is quite likely entirely correct. Whereas we tend to choose our friends from amongst those individuals that we most like, appreciate, and respect - for their personalities - to start with. So of course we <continue> to think they are fine people, after they become our friends too! :) ... On the other hand, <Switch> is largely right. What the Barangay is doing this year is nothing new in the history of the Caissars, and for that reason it would be unfair to single them out. This will be, TMK, the third year straight that titles get decided by a method seriously lacking in fairness and good sportsmanship, between TD's antics, and yours, <Jess>. Sorry, I'm sure it's all just in good fun for you, but watching it is only fun for people who are already your friends - any outsider to the clique, who lives by ethical guidelines and dignity, enough so as not to nominate and vote for themselves, as TD had started two years ago, or campaign loudly for others... would come away from watching what the once-fair Caissars have turned into, with a bad taste in their mouths. As long as this goes on, and as long as these "votes" are mostly decided by voters in the single digits, the "Caissars" will continue to be more or less worthless. And for that matter, this current fiasco wouldn't even be happening, if there were more voters from the general ceegee public... but who cares anymore? No doubt some TD-ous person will disagree. :p |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: <crawf> -- < Maybe it's a good thing. Maybe it's a bad thing. Maybe it's just a thing. The only constant is change.> This is true. It also very neatly encapsulates what I was trying to say myself, except what I was trying to say wasn't particularly true. Paradox is the price we pay for progress, or maybe the other way round. Back in Puritan New England, William Slothrop named his son Constant. In due course, Constant named *his* son Variable. What goes around.
Hmmm. Am I the only one to detect a slightly *acid* tone -- somewhere between sulphuric and citric, and not at all lysergic -- in my recent verbal meanderings? I s'pose it'll be OK as long as I don't accidentally dissolve somebody. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie> makes sense. It's like when a village grows into a town. Why, I can remember when I knew everyone on this road by name, and was incestuously related to most of 'em. And now these strangers move in. And then the town gets bigger, sprouts burbs and a ghetto or three, areas where folk don't even speak English, and the Old Indigenes see 'their' jobs and wimminfolk being stole, and they all become cab drivers. I can see it, clear as day. |
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| Jan-03-11 | | wordfunph: It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling. - Mark Twain |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: < It's good sportsmanship to not pick up lost golf balls while they are still rolling. > True. But if I lie down flat on the ground, position myself just right, open my mouth wide enough -- then I gggg ghghgh mmmmmnnngg ... |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Annie K.: <wordfunph> LOL! :) <Dom> heh - should I have staged this in my own forum, perhaps? Sorry... ;) |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> - <At least you will get your award again this year for best writing.> Ackshully, I reckon <Once> deserves it, although he and I courteously nominated one another. He has a large following for his stories at the POTD. Ironically, I suspect many of his readers are Puzzle-only CGers, and don't know a Caissar from a Cassowary. |
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| Jan-03-11 | | crawfb5: If I were a juror on a panel making an official award of some sort, I would feel an obligation to familiarize myself with all the nominees. However, here we're talking as unofficial as it gets, and realistically I am only going to read a certain number of posts in any given day, so I think my vote is quite naturally going to be influenced by familiarity. I've been on a couple of teams with <The Chess Express> and when he gets geared up, it is something to watch. <Ohio> and I are only half-kidding when we say he must never sleep. I know there are other good analysts on site, and perhaps even better ones, but he's the one whose work I know best, and that's good enough for me in this context. I'm not upset by TD's antics. To me, at least, it's part of his schtick. I would be less amused if it were another category. I am reminded of a fictional emperor, having just privately executed the court jester after publicly laughing at the joke, remarking, "Humor is such a subjective thing." I try not to take elections too seriously, especially ones with little practical impact. One of my favorite Civil War quotes is from my own home state of South Carolina, when a planter wrote his friend in the Confederate Congress, asking "Pardon me, is the majority always drunk?" |
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| Jan-03-11 | | wordfunph: "The object of golf is not just to win. It is to play like a gentleman, and win." - Phil Mickelson |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Domdaniel: Innaresting, that. The sports which were once pastimes of the idle upper classes -- like golf, billiards, cricket -- tend to have gentlemanly codes of conduct, ritual apologies, and quaint sanctions. The sports that began as games for the lower orders have brutally professional players, big thick rule books, and thrashing. Quite proper too. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | OhioChessFan: I have avoided addressing such a non-issue because to address it means it's really an issue. (I am sure Dom has some appropritately ironic quote he could insert here) I have already zoomed ahead in my mind next year to when the crowd decides to honor their well deserving members with all the Caissars. This year they didn't happen to be clever enough to nominate in all categories. But give several hundred people a year to think about things and they just might come up with the clever idea of ballot stuffing all the categories. I'm just saying. It would take someone like........oh, me, for instance, about a half second to realize what they are going to do, but will take them months to happen upon. If that happens, come 2012, I won't nominate anyone. I won't vote. I am sure others will have a similar response. And so they'll ruin what is a light hearted way to recognize a few members of the site.
A few responses to some previous posters:
<Jess> nothing should be done. It's just not that important. I am a firm believer in taking my ball and going home when I don't like the game I'm in. If they want to do what I expect they'll do next year, they can do so without me being aware of it.<Annie> yes, there's something even a little bit ugly about the tribal thing. I agree, alas, about the shenanigans per the funniest kibitzer and if that's allowed, it's pretty hard to find fault with someone else not exactly playing according to Hoyle. I have to admit I really don't get what's funny about it. I know humor is in the eyes of the beholder, but........I don't get it. At all.
I know it's <Wannabe's> baby, but I think he should be trying to reach the general population. The World game and POTD would be a good place to start. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | OhioChessFan: On second thought.........it doesn't matter. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Ohio> yes, you're right- but it's not 2012 yet and I have a feeling the voting in the rest of the categories this year should be relatively "shenanigan free". I agree we don't need "to do" anything. Maybe we can just continue to vote for our honest picks for this year, though. I wouldn't be surprised if <wannabe> stops doing it next year anyway. It's a great deal of work for him and many, including me, have made it much more frustrating a task than it already might be. |
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Jan-03-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom> I'm a little surprised at your support of <Once>- although he has a great deal of support from others as well, as a "good writer." I find most of his writing a little too self-congratulatory for my taste, and I don't find him even remotely humorous. When he's dead serious and not trying to be clever, however, he's an excellent debater. I could see voting for him as "best debater." Matter of taste I suppose.
Generally, I don't like any of the posts on the POTD page, or the <Bragging Page>, as it might more aptly be named. However, who cares what I like. The POTD crowd are an important group at the site. The POTD is one of the main attractions of the website, and it garners a good share of folk willing to buy premium memberships. I will always vote for your writing, not because you're my friend, but because it has the most depth and breadth, whatever that means. Except for last year when I- and everyone else- voted for <Plato's> parody of a hypothetical BW member "gone wrong." |
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Jan-03-11
 | | Annie K.: <Jess> heh - personally, I think <Once> is a clever and decent fellow, pretty good humorwise as well. I only wince a little when I occasionally seem to detect a bit of his style's influence in <*<Dom>'s*> posts. :p <For all interested> there's some Caissar-relevant discussion in my forum as well now, so feel free to catch up. ;) |
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Jan-03-11
 | | WannaBe: Congratulations, you have won the Best Written Post Category's Caissar for 2010!! |
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| Jan-04-11 | | wordfunph: congrats <Domdaniel>!!! |
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Jan-04-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Annie> we may have to agree to disagree, but I confess I haven't investigated the matter to any extent. I have absolutely nothing against the fellow. On the bright side, <Dom's> legacy is preserved!! To quote <Twinlark>: "Congratulations, Old Cock!" |
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| Jan-04-11 | | twinlark: Congratulations, Old Cock! |
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Jan-04-11
 | | jessicafischerqueen: heh... |
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