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| Jul-20-11 | | hms123: <Dom>
No problem.
It's water off a <duck's> back. |
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| Jul-20-11 | | mworld: Interesting, in other words, your maths reveal that hell will have frozen over when your equation holds true? Now I understand the origin...as well as the origin of a new phrase. Thanks, |
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Jul-20-11
 | | Domdaniel: <mworld> The equations are true, as proper mathemathical equations tend to be. It's the source of the data that is suspect - you can't really trust input values from something called 'Revelations'. Another flaw in the argument is that it merely shows that heaven is hotter than *one part* of hell, the part with the lake of fire. The climate might be variable and capricious ... as hellish climates often are. Maybe hell freezes over regularly, and spontaneously bursts into flame shortly after. I hear the climate in New York is similar. |
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Jul-20-11
 | | Annie K.: So the bottom line is that while temperatures may be quite similar - eventually the nature of the spot's reputation all boils down to the work of the Holy Tourist Bureau. ;p |
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| Jul-21-11 | | Thanh Phan: In theory hell will have frozen over at about room temperature then, relative to temperature you shown? |
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| Jul-21-11 | | Thanh Phan: This maybe not as hot: 10,500,000 Firecrackers!! - http://youtu.be/wQOKvaYmPFQ - Still looks neat |
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| Jul-21-11 | | mworld: =]
Btw, started Quicksilver - I can already see why you'd recommend it. Something 'new' was just what I needed. In between this and the next one I'll go for the crecent moon. |
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Jul-21-11
| | Domdaniel: <mworld> Great! I somehow, uh, *misplaced* my copy of Quicksilver. I reread both sequels recently, and I'm dying to go back to the first one, but I can't find it. I even spent 20 minutes reading bits of it in a bookshop a few days ago, just for the flavour. Without giving too much away, he stays within the broad outlines of what we know about historical characters, but has some fun with the details. So Isaac Newton is a magnificently paranoid genius, Leibniz is warmly eccentric, and William of Orange is rather strange. Not at all as modern-day fans of 'King Billy' imagine him. Enjoy. |
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Jul-21-11
| | Domdaniel: <Thanh Phan> Thanks -- it is strange how people who speak (metaphorically) of hell freezing over rarely mention the substance getting frozen. Which, of course, is just the transition from a liquid to solid state. Do they mean iron? Oxygen? Mercury? Gold? Boring old water ice? As every alchemist knows, they freeze at different temperatures. Maybe 'hell' has methane icebergs, like the ones seen on Triton. 'Surface Detail' by Iain M Banks is set in a universe where several civilizations have used advanced technology to build virtual hells - in line with whatever theological belief systems they traditionally held. These hells store the mind-states of 'unworthy' individuals - one character manages to hack into hell by virtually disguising himself as a demon. Meanwhile, other, less punishment-oriented galactic societies oppose these torture factories, and war breaks out, in and over Hell. It also features a psychotic space warship and a woman hunting her murderer. Great stuff. |
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Jul-21-11
| | Domdaniel: Marshall McLuhan, 100 years old today.
Forget about the medium being the message, though it has some truth in it. The key line, as quoted in my profile, is: "A medium amputates the organ it extends."
This has nothing to do with the kind of organ extensions they sell on the Nutterweb. It means that every medium tends to replace some human facility (or 'organ') which then atrophies (is 'amputated') through lack of use. People used to walk. Cars amputated their legs, and they became obese. People used to talk, and to believe in what was spoken. Books amputated their orality, and they came to trust only the written word. People used to read. TV amputated their attention spans, and they became couch potatoes. I used to know stuff. Google amputated my brain. |
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| Jul-21-11 | | mworld: <I even spent 20 minutes reading bits of it in a bookshop a few days ago, just for the flavour.> I nearly wrote 'that it is written so well I can taste it'. I am enjoying it a lot! |
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| Jul-22-11 | | Thanh Phan: <Domdaniel: 'Surface Detail' by Iain M Banks>Thanks, looks of interesting reading! <The exact temperature of Hell cannot be computed ... [However] Revelations 21:8 says "But the fearful, and unbelieving ... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.">Maybe then to use <fire and brimstone> as point of hell freezing over? <Annie K.>You mean that if you show up in Nirvana wearing sunglasses, Buddha might glare at you? ;s
Just saw that! Cute and imaginable! |
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Jul-22-11
| | Domdaniel: I don't think one just 'shows up' at Nirvana. One waits to be invited. One may wait forever. Or enlightment may descend, complete with the requisite number of noble truths. "And now, for $64,000,000 ... how many noble truths are there?" - Um, *none*, Bob?
"Sorry, you lose. But remember what the other good book sez -- it's easier for a camel to pass through the knee of an idol than for rich folks to attain enlightenment." |
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| Jul-22-11 | | TheFocus: <We have, then, that Heaven, at 525C is hotter than Hell at 445C.> Mostly, it is because of the beaches. |
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Jul-22-11
| | Annie K.: <Thanh> thanks. :)
<Dom> Heh. Nice religious/metaphoric cocktail (now *there's* sortof an autologism)... :p OK, I *do* know that Nirvana isn't yet another carbon copy of the Xtian/Islamic ideas of "heaven" with the Main Monster holding court, so I started it, but I couldn't resist. ;) |
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Jul-22-11
| | Domdaniel: <Annie> Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Nirvana is a non-place where nothing happens all the time. Does that sum it up? <Focus> La vita e una spiaggia. |
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Jul-23-11
| | Domdaniel: <Annie> - < Nice religious/metaphoric cocktail >
Heh. But not that kind of cock, nor that kind of tail. Perhaps just another Tom Cruise movie, about Barmen (bar-workers, not that place they held chess tournaments...) Meanings, meanings.
Incidentally, I recall reading somewhere that the famous "camel through the eye of a needle" metaphor - which is a bit *too* much like surrealist poetry to be authentic dogma - arose from a mistranslation. It seems the original line was the plodding "it is easier for a rope to pass through the eye of a needle" ... banal, but just the kind of image a preacher would use with fishermen. But somewhere between Aramaic, Hebrew and Greek the words for 'rope' and 'camel' (gamelon and kamelon?) were mixed up, with predictable results. You ever hear that one, or can you shed any light on the languages? Modern Greek has 'kamili' for camel, but nothing similar for rope or cord. One source (the dread wiki) has kamelos (rope) and kamilos (camel), along with very dodgy tales of a gate in Al-Quds. Or even Yerushalayim. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of... |
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| Jul-23-11 | | Thanh Phan: <Domdaniel>Page I listed has some updates now~ CAMEL THROUGH THE EYE OF A NEEDLE?
Opposing Views - Franklin Eugene Rhoads
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/Frankli... |
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| Jul-23-11 | | dakgootje: http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/ar... |
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Jul-23-11
| | Domdaniel: <dak> That links seems to be one of those http://www.dakkie_guttersnipe.org things ... <Thanh Phan>
Thanks. You are an oracle among human search engines ... (that's a good thing, by the way) ;) Except for the fact that I'm quite upset about the Norway atrocity ... :( |
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Jul-23-11
| | Annie K.: <Dom> Yeah, just about the last place one would expect such a thing. :( The Hebrew word for camel - both modern and biblical - is 'gamal'. There's no similar Hebrew word for rope, but the mistranslation, if there was one, seems to have slipped in via Greek. I tend to think that"rope" makes a lot more sense than "camel" here, personally - this despite the fact that I have actually seen the small gate called "eye of the needle" on one of my visits to Jerusalem... but I have this nagging suspicion that it was named retroactively, to provide a halfway sensible interpretation for the otherwise bizarre expression. |
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| Jul-23-11 | | Thanh Phan: <Domdaniel> Thanks, my search engines didn't revolt this time like they did during my searches for the <sure as stitches> and <chrisowen>'s sayings About had vertigo after hear of the Norway atrocity ~ Have none idea what to say or think after that, will send prayer for~ |
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| Jul-24-11 | | Thanh Phan: Of the camels needle and can you thread eyes? quote and translations; Even the most vivid, pretty and flowing poem in ones own language, <translated word for word into another language>, would have many question your sanity, if they didn't before. lol Santa flying from house to house, a kids version of the big guy in the sky? Bad or good and presents or coal as reward or penalty. <Coal to light the night in the dark of winter is only a temporary bonus>. Was about my thoughts after some random searches~ |
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| Jul-25-11 | | cormier: in jerusalem there was a little door where camels had to be un-load of their weights and then the camel had to litterally walk on it's knees to enter ... it was called the needle hole , in jesus time .... of course it also has a double and possibly a triple sens with humility and the joy road of entering by the smalless door etc ... by by .... tks G |
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| Jul-25-11 | | hms123: <Dom> Carlsen/Pelletier Live--French Defense <1.e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Nd7 5. g3 Be7 *>. Not a Winawer, though. |
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