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| Jan-18-12 | | Shams: <hms> I was about to call out "fine marmalade" as an oxymoron. Chacun son gout. |
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Jan-18-12
 | | Domdaniel: <Shams> -- < Is "quidditas" past its sell-by date already?> Um, no. Such a beautiful word too, along with quiddity. I simply forgot about it. Though *some* people might think Quidditas was a game played by Harry Potter. As for the French-with-f4, I suspect we can blame (a) Reshevsky-Vaganian, Skopje 1976 -- the ultimate example of f4 as the start of a bad idea, and one of the finest Black wins in *La Defense*, ever -- plus (b) me, getting a tad carried away in my denunciation of f4. You'll recall that it went
3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.f4 c5 6.c3 Nc6 7.Ndf3 Qa5 8.Kf2 [?! - 8.Be3 is much better for White] Be7 9.Bd3 Qb6 10.Ne2 f6 11.exf6 Bxf6 12.Kg3 [?!]
click for larger view According to John Emms, even this provocation isn't a serious mistake by White. The critical error was on move 14, after: 12...cxd4 13.cxd4 0-0 14.Re1?
And Vaganian began the fireworks with 14...e5! 15.fxe5 Ndxe5 16.dxe5 Bh4+!!
click for larger viewExquisite. But it takes a lot of rhetorical quidditas to get from 5.f4 (!?) to 12.Kg3 (?!) to 17.Kxh4 and eventual mate. Mea culpa. |
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Jan-18-12
| | Domdaniel: <shams & hms> As we can see, Marmalade Theory still has some distance to go before reaching a scientific consensus. I tried one with a slight whisky flavour once or twice. Quite agreeable. |
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Jan-18-12
 | | Annie K.: Oi, <Dom>, I sent a reply your way. Jis' looking at your profile text - time to take the Nuklu link off the top, innit? It's almost a whole year until next time you'll need it. :) Also, plz change that McLuhan quote to 'atrophies'? I don't care what Herr Marshall akshly said, he <should> have said atrophies. It bugsme. ;p <"The human mind will some day get back to the freedom it enjoyed 2000 years ago." - Thomas Jefferson> OK, but that would take an apocalyptic-type worldwide event which would destroy all civilizations, so that for several generations thereafter our descendants would be too busy re-learning how to live off the land to concern themselves with saving any luxuries of culture and book-larnin'. Not that this is a very unlikely scenario, just saying... |
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Jan-18-12
| | Domdaniel: <Annie> Well, um, if we start getting into what folk *shoulda* said (Abe Lincoln: "Four score and six years back, plus half-a-dozen months and four on top, with a score of days and the best part of a week, ah, ago ... where's everyone going?") I'll find you a nice quote with 'atrophies'. But McLuhan said 'amputates' and to cite him otherwise would be a disservice to free-jazz pseudoscientific riffing. You got a point re Nuklu, I'll give you that.
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Jan-18-12
| | Domdaniel: Is this the bit where somebody shouts "A member of my family once had the tip of a finger amputated, with *general anaesthetic*, a body part gone forever, and to see 'amputated' used as a gosh-darn *metaphor* makes me want to bring a carniverous mob round to your house and burn all the heretics!" ...? And somebody else says "I fought under that General Annie Stettick at Gettysburg, a great leader of men even if she were a woman, and ah had my *head* amputated by a sawbones and ah cain't say it hurt me none ... did you say heretics? Where?" And mayhem erupts.
I like that bit. |
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Jan-18-12
| | Domdaniel: <Annie> Also, please, where does it say that quoting a quote implies endorsement of sentiments expressed therein? Do I need to add an express proviso to that effect? The management does not endorse ... Jefferson, f'rinstance, was off his rocker talking about human freedom - mental or otherwise - 2000 years ago. There wasn't much of it around, unless you were a rich male Greco-Roman citizen. But it's a good quote. And it illustrates the leading edge of 18th century quasi-atheistic deism among founding fathers. I should show you some of the quotes I've used in zines. |
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Jan-18-12
| | Domdaniel: Now I'm going to go away and write an article about cults, because a newspaper features editor will pay me for it. What would I know about cults? Apart from the wonderful piece of ongoing research and inspiration that is Frogspawn. Thank you all, and G'♘.
*Next* time ... |
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Jan-18-12
| | Annie K.: Heh. Well, this is starting to look more like Levity than Leviticus, anyhoo. ;p G'♘! |
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| Jan-18-12 | | Golden Executive:
"We shape our tools," he said, "and then our tools shape us." Technology, according to McLuhan, is an extension of our own natural faculties. Just as a knife is an extension of the hand, and the wheel an extension of the leg, writing is an extension of speech and of memory. In this general metaphor, automobiles become extensions of our personal bodies, and the city an extension of our collective skin. Electronic communication is an extension of our nervous system, just as computers are extensions of our brains. Once extended, however, these technologies are "amputated." They exist as external and independent objects, though we remain dependent upon them." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Bk... |
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| Jan-18-12 | | frogbert: dom, why is everyone commenting on my posts in your forum? |
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Jan-18-12
| | Annie K.: Different context. In the quote in Dom's profile, McLuhan was talking about the weakening effect of the new tools on the biological faculty they were developed to aid, due to the resulting lessened "exercise" of these faculties. However, such damage, while probably realistic, would come about in a gradual and nonviolent fashion, which is why I keep arguing that 'atrophies' would have been a much more precise term. Whereas in this quote, he has twisted the word around completely, to refer to the new technology taking on a path of its own, instead. All in all, one mainly gets the impression that Herr Marshall may have done a little too much DLS. :p |
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| Jan-19-12 | | frogbert: actually, everyone is "asking" the same ridiculous question in several forums. thanks for admitting everyone cheap bullying points. anyway, everyone's image as innocent comical relief takes a serious hit; seemingly everyone must be in some kind of personal crisis. everyone needs help, but you can't help everyone. i guess that's fine. |
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Jan-19-12
| | Domdaniel: <frogbert> everyone is commenting because that's what everyone does. And everyone conforms to norms laid down by everyone else. Thus everyone is a conformist. Apart from you and me, of course.
Srsly, any 'control' I may have over what goes on here has been amputated by multiple factors, including the non-use of ignore and delete options and my default raised-eyebrow jocularity. Things may be in the saddle riding mankind, as somebody said. But I don't take things seriously. *Srsly*, now, that's different. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | frogbert: i can't afford to take things seriously either. it would be way too stressful. some nice chess being played in waz - unfortunately carlsen isn't at his most brilliant today and had to switch to damage reduction mode after his rooky mistake in the h-file. |
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Jan-19-12
| | Domdaniel: Waz? Wozzat, 'waz'?
Ah, of course, Wijk. I always think of it as 'Wijk', never mind which <men of steel> are paying the bills. Hoogovens, Corus, Tata, usw. Maybe Giri also had some say in the result? He seems to have decided against at least two interesting alternatives, 23...Nf2 and 31...Rb8. I admit I thought Magnus was very close to a winnable ending, but maybe it was always going to be drawn. Live games were what originally drew me to CG, and I still enjoy them when I can. Though, like old fogeys everywhere, I think the quality of the live kibitzing is in decline. Ah, the golden age. When kibitzers had sharper wits and keener analytic abilities, and mostly lived in small hunter-gatherer communities. When a village idiot really was a village idiot. It's hard to be an idiot in a city, or in CG these days. Too much competition. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | hms123: <Shams>
<<hms> Chacun son gout.> In America, the center of the known universe, we say <chase your own goose>. It means the same thing, really it does. |
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| Jan-19-12 | | frogbert: of those two i think 31... Rb8 was clearly the most promising for black. and i don't think carlsen was even near having anything in the end game, btw. earlier, carlsen also passed up on a very good option - 16. fxg5 Qxg5 17. g4! black's three main alternatives all lead to extraordinary, complex positions: a) 17... Qxe3
b) 17... b5
c) 17... fxg4
spent the last hour looking into those - some breathtaking complications to be uncovered for those interested. and sure - giri played a good game and made carlsen sweat when white wasted precious time with that 16. Rh5 plan. |
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Jan-19-12
| | Domdaniel: In Japanese drama - and, to an extent, in society - the primary tension is between <giri> (duty or obligation) and <ninjo> (human feeling). So Carlsen is human after all. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | frogbert: of course he's human. super-human and quite unusually talented in some areas, but clearly human in every significant aspect of the word. i know the colloquial term, naturally, but maybe it pops up so often these days that it's coming a bit of a cliche? |
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Jan-20-12
 | | OhioChessFan: <Dom: Live games were what originally drew me to CG, and I still enjoy them when I can. Though, like old fogeys everywhere, I think the quality of the live kibitzing is in decline.> Per the live games, I don't know why people are so loathe to post a blunder. I understand wanting an engine running to blunder check, but if we were all that good, we'd be the GM's playing the game. I think the kibitzing on POTD is better than live games since people there don't seem to mind admitting where they went wrong. Capa was right about learning from games he lost. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | frogbert: dom, maybe i should throw in some bucks so as to increase your enjoyment of live kibitzing here. ;o) said the humble, unassuming patzer... |
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| Jan-20-12 | | Shams: <OCF> Totally agree and I offer my entire posting history as evidence. |
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Jan-20-12
| | Domdaniel: <Ohio> Loath they are. I loathe it when that happens. As it turns out, I was on the verge of making exactly that point yesterday -- about great players learning from their losses. I'd been looking at a Gufeld-Spassky game, won by Gufeld after it transposed into a French. But Spassky clearly learned from it. Stands to reason, I suppose. If you really are loth to lose, then a loss will leave an imprint. |
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| Jan-20-12 | | crawfb5: <If you really are loth to lose, then a loss will leave an imprint.> That would be <Loth's Labour's from a Loss>? |
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