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Oct-24-13
 | | Domdaniel: <Annie & Switch> Quite a few languages, I think, have some kind of grammatical 'gender' - such as French and other Indo-European languages, though English has lost much of it. In practice, this means that pronouns for 'he' and 'she' are used for inanimate objects -- and sometimes the converse, a word for 'it' used to denote a person.
But I agree that 'it' in English should not be used for a human being, as it suggests non-animation (or do I mean 'inanimateness'? -- The state of not being alive, in any case, which is perhaps an insulting attribute to ascribe to a live human being.) "We've got a live one here". |
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Oct-24-13
 | | Domdaniel: So, then, who have I not responded to recently? (I have a reputation to uphold in this regard ... word is that I respond to everyone who posts here ... which may or may not be accurate...) <hms123> All is cool ... I'm not insulted (yet). As for the LifeMaster, yes, of course he's a monster: and his behaviour is quite beyond the pale. But should we really hound him out for this? And should we tolerate the lynch-mob mentality that seems to grow up around him? I'm unhappy with this, and I suspect that you are too. <Jess> Well, hello. I'd quite like to live in Vancouver, all things considered, even the crappy TV. The gay chap in 'Are You Being Served' was John Inman, I think. And if he was ahead of his time, where were Oscar Wilde and Alan Turing?
I met that Quentin Crisp once, yanno. Sweet old pooftah that he was ...
"Unless the music is stopped NOW, the human race, clicking its fingers and twitching its hips, will slide into ... [something horrible]..." |
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| Oct-24-13 | | Shams: <Domdaniel> As you know, diminished capacity is a defense to monsterism... |
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Oct-24-13
 | | Domdaniel: <Shams> True, in *some* legal systems. But in others monsterism requires the death penalty. I have no idea which type of system we live under here. That reminds me of an idea I had for a TV show, a sort of cross between Judge Judy and Big Brother. The basic idea is that contestants would bring their grievances to the show, and would then be judged by a number of different judicial systems -- common law, sharia law, brehon law, Napoleonic law, etc. And the viewers would vote on whether a fine should be levied, a hand chopped off, or the case dismissed... |
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Oct-24-13
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <Domdaniel: <hms123> All is cool ... I'm not insulted (yet). As for the LifeMaster, yes, of course he's a monster: and his behaviour is quite beyond the pale. But should we really hound him out for this? And should we tolerate the lynch-mob mentality that seems to grow up around him? I'm unhappy with this, and I suspect that you are too.> Keep in mind that much of the anger those complaining have is not directed at <AJ> at all, but rather results from the perception that the admins apply one set of rules to him and another set of rules to everybody else. And it's not really that hard to understand where that perception's coming from. |
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Oct-24-13
 | | Domdaniel: <SwitchingQ> I'm aware of that, of course, though I admit that I don't really understand it. Has AJ *really* been treated differently from everyone else? And if he has, why? Why on Earth would the admins do this?
I just don't accept that there is some secret conspiricist reason to privilege AJ above all others -- though I concede I wish they'd come out and explain this themselves. |
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Oct-24-13
 | | Annie K.: <Switch: <Isn't that another matter entirely, though? A lack of gender separation doesn't preclude having different pronouns for people and non-people.>> Yeah, although what you said about Finnish could be interpreted as a way of saying there was no gender distinction, too. :) But you're right, and Hungarian also makes that distinction - much the same way as English has 'who' for people, as opposed to 'which' for objects. 'That' used to be a more appropriate term for objects too, but this distinction is being eroded as far as I can tell. <Dom> Hebrew has those male/female pronouns for inanimate objects - and also gender-based syntax differences for just about anything. It's ridiculous, even worse than French. Particularly when one comes from a Hungarian background, which has none of that nonsense. For example, Hebrew has not only he/she, but 'you' is divided into male and female versions, verbs have different suffixes based on gender, and so bloody forth. So English is about midway between the two... ;)
<"We've got a live one here".> Heh. Well, not exactly, as 'it' is also used for animals - which I don't like either - and human babies, although that's another trend going out of fashion. So I tend to see 'it' more as a reference to non-humanity. |
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| Oct-24-13 | | Thanh Phan: Apparently I forgot to add to who, and what was the basis of my prior comment <The usual and primary usage is to ask or allow, "let her" also works in our language interestingly enough, and the main thought is asking her for, not just ask or allow...> That should have been addressed to <Domdaniel> with an attempt to clarify what <catsfaith>'s translated text using google translate, sorry if any were confused |
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| Oct-25-13 | | Thanh Phan: About a note, < But should we really hound him out for this? And should we tolerate the lynch-mob mentality that seems to grow up around him? I'm unhappy with this, and I suspect that you are too. > <Should we hound him out for this?> Should a proposed <Christian> (a term I am starting to believe is for people against humanity) be allowed to spew at us? Seek <Karpov> forum for details, she notes a few, <And should we tolerate the lynch-mob mentality that seems to grow up around him?> I find it interesting if more then one peoples provide a viewpoint against someone, then they are a lynch-mob, and doomed to such valueless views, Could it actually be that they are responding as individuals with comments about someone who constantly attacks others? Perish the thought! Call them a lynch-mob on a witch hunt, because more than one are against what another spews without actions taken day after day after day, Honestly? Be the one person who he wishes every single day, that you die, receive an incurable disease, are run over, or any of a multitude of wishes he prays for, don't ask that Christian, ask <karpov> for details, Like another noted, I think it's More about the question of why he is allowed to spew his wishes, hatred and hopes of death, pain and torment if any oppose his views and receive no chat limit, while others get banned, forever for saying the exact same things, then if he should be allowed, there is a difference |
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| Oct-25-13 | | Thanh Phan: I understand your displeasure in noting that someone is receiving very many negative thoughts against someone, But this time it's for a reason,
Why can a christian pray for your death, murder, torture, to be run over, harbor hopes you eat poison, walk off a cliff, among numerous other death/pain/torment type prayers, and another be deleted, removed, have no chance to respond again, Banned, Is this a version of equality people should wish for? |
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Oct-25-13
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom>
"Happily" cleaned up your forum?
heh
Some of us were there with you eh? All the same, I won't begrudge you a little revisionist history. Although with <Switch> around it's a risky practice. He seems to be able to find any post from any year from any place and then swoop down from the Heavens at the most unexpected times. I've been on the receiving end of several of these swoops. They don't call him "Mr. Owls" for nothing. |
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Oct-25-13
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Thanh> with the <Lifemaser> I doubt the "Christianity angle" is relevant. I'm pretty sure he'd behave exactly the same way if he were a Stalinist. Of course, then he'd be a bad advert for Stalinism, instead of a bad advert for Christianity. But I don't think it's fair to hit him over the head for being a hypocritical "Christian." He'd be just as hypocritical if he were something else. As <Annie> has pointed out on several occasions, his real problem is that he suffers from several debilitating personality disorders that make him "not fun" to be around. But think about it- he has to be around himself all the time, and I don't think he's too happy about that. I think it's more of a trial for him than it might be for some of us. |
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Oct-25-13
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Dom>
I'm impressed you met <Mr. Crisp>. We've discussed him before, years ago now, with reference to John Hurt's fine performance in the biopic. A remarkable film. |
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Oct-25-13
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <Domdaniel: <SwitchingQ> I'm aware of that, of course, though I admit that I don't really understand it. Has AJ *really* been treated differently from everyone else? And if he has, why? Why on Earth would the admins do this?> Well, the answer is yes and no.
The perception that AJ has been getting away with things other people are banned for is perfectly accurate, but at the same time users not named AJ have got away with a lot more than some of the complainers seem to appreciate. Most spectacularly, <angslo> (who doesn't have <any> redeeming qualities, such as an actual interest in chess) insulted people thousands (yes, thousands) of times before finally getting the boot. Similar things could perhaps be said of the worst So fans. Some members really have been banned for a lot less. So while AJ does represent the extreme case in admins cutting slack, their handling of other disruptive users has been inconsistent at best; they haven't applied "one set of rules" to everybody but AJ. Beyond simply not being banned, there are clear cases of different rules applying to AJ, but how significant those are is unclear. For example, one reason for AJ's towering winning percentage is that games submitted for database inclusion and meeting every relevant criterion have been rejected by the admins on no grounds other than that AJ had lost them. The same games with AJ winning would have gone up - and it's not as if AJ's wins have been any less a target for fighting and flame wars than his losses. While this is a definite double standard in that no one else has ever received similar protection, it's quite possible to think of reasons for it other than pure favoritism, and very occasionally the admins <have> - much to AJ's chagrin - allowed a loss or two to slip through. The "free speech" complaint, viz. that AJ has more of it than other people do, is based on at least three things that all have something to them but can be exaggerated. The first is the issue, already noted, of AJ being allowed to stay where others have been banned. The second is that AJ's posts have survived mass purges when they shouldn't have, which is true but could surely be said of others as well; I'm not sure if there's a pattern of it happening more to AJ that can't be explained simply by his high involvement in such matters. The third is frustration at blowing the whistle on AJ a zillion times without much effect, which is understandable but has also happened with other disruptive users - and it's easy to forget about the times when blowing the whistle did have an effect. In short, much of the criticism is perfectly valid but at this point people are shouting foul at the slightest sign of AJ being favored, including things they wouldn't even notice if someone they liked was involved instead. <Why> the admins would favor AJ is indeed a very good question; there are many, many possible answers, including a simple and highly plausible one that has its own Wikipedia page, but it's quite possible no explanation is needed and the patterns described are misleading, Like I said, though, it isn't hard to see where the perception of favoritism is coming from. |
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| Oct-25-13 | | Alien Math: Express sorry for not improve her interactions, most household comment provided by http://translate.google.com/ Many non English call the American Forums barbarian dumps, Sorry to provide this informations, there are too many LifeMasters on such forums to confirm their statement, another day starts~ |
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| Oct-25-13 | | hms123: <Switch>
<including a simple and highly plausible one that has its own Wikipedia page> link? |
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Oct-25-13
 | | SwitchingQuylthulg: <hms123> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlo... |
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| Oct-25-13 | | hms123: <Switch> Ah, yes, I have been to that site before. I just didn't make the connection. It is a very useful rule. |
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| Oct-25-13 | | hms123: <Dom> I wasn't the least concerned that you would be insulted. I know you better than that and assume that you know me better than that as well. All is, in fact, cool.
I hardly consider myself to be part of a witch hunt etc. (nor did you include me in such a group), but simply one who is very tired of AJ's <issues>. I hesitate to speak for others, which means, of course, that I am about to do so, but there seem to be plenty of others who feel the same: He degrades the site. There are many others who engage in similar antics (for different reasons, I assume), but who also confine those antics to a few places that are easy for me to avoid (Rogoff page, So page, Fischer page, etc.). AJ seems to look for opportunities to torment those of us trying hard to ignore him the old-fashioned way. Like you, I have no one on ignore. To put him on ignore would mean that I wouldn't see his posts on the GM vs. The World games and that it would screw up my page count there. I might also think I should <ignore> him on the <Analysis Forum> or the <ChessBookForum>, neither of which seems an appropriate thing to do given that those are both intended as site resources. His recent brief time-out in the kerfuffle with the Troop did some good. Perhaps he should be given a similar time-out every six weeks just to re-set the situation for a bit. |
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| Oct-25-13 | | Thanh Phan: Actually being able to view a middle point in a discussion, with many thanks to <SwitchingQuylthulg>, <Domdaniel> and <hms123> |
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Oct-25-13
 | | Domdaniel: <Thanh Phan> Thank *you* for pointing out that "witch-hunt" can often mean simply that a number of people individually object to something. Food for thought. <SwitchingQ> A superb summary, and I largely agree with you. Certainly there are nuisances on the site who lack redeeming features. And it's true that many people believe that AJ is favoured by the admins -- though AJ himself seems to believe the opposite. |
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Oct-25-13
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> What is history *for*, if not to be subjected to the assaults of revisionists? Eh? I knew you'd understand, expert historian that you are. |
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Oct-25-13
 | | Domdaniel: The AJ affair seems to be generating more controversy than usual this time around. I wonder why. Have more people just become urinated off with his antics, or what? <hms> Yes, of course there's no danger that we might insult one another. I leave such crude tactics to lesser beings.
It's interesting, as you say, that part of the AJ problem is his relative ubiquity. Unlike certain dedicated trolls, he does not stick to a single patch -- though this could be viewed benignly as 'participating in site activities', no?
Also, some of those trolls have (or had) a nasty habit of stalking those who disagreed with them. I was followed back here by one such specimen a few months ago, and wound up having to delete several of his vile posts. |
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| Oct-25-13 | | hms123: <Dom> I agree completely that his ubiquity should be construed as mere participation in site activities. The various trolls have controll (heh) over their behavior. AJ doesn't seem to. It is hard to condemn him for that. Perhaps an analogy would be to the person at the symphony with a hacking cough. Control might not be possible, but it would be annoying. Presumably that person would leave the hall. Alternatively, such a person might think <I paid for the ticket and I am going to sit here no matter what>. It is also possible that such a person thinks <my small cough isn't bothering anyone> despite nasty looks, polite requests, etc. Those polite requests are likely to degenerate after a few minutes go by. |
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| Oct-25-13 | | Thanh Phan: <Alternatively, such a person might think <I paid for the ticket and I am going to sit here no matter what>. It is also possible that such a person thinks <my small cough isn't bothering anyone> despite nasty looks, polite requests, etc.> Is that suppose to explain why your aj is so willing to pray for others deaths? Really? |
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