Maybe at high noon with pistols!

I take no prisoners.

And yes you are already in serious time trouble.

So I'll be sleeping!!

It's THEM simple!

40 minutes till the 2nd round of the candidates and another scrubbing of Carlsen, I fear..

Plus I like GMs who are not tall enough to get on the roller coaster yet.

It's <Polgar> time, she has played hardly at all this year and may have the "fresh" factor in her favor.

Ah. I see.. Good ploy <Jess>.

I got work to do still tomorrow after i avoid that phone call.

Good night, gentlemen!!

I thought he had an <anthropological query> but I never knew <Owski> played chess.>

It *was* an anthropological query! Well, not quite, but it was nowt to do with chess. Edward Winter just happened to bring up the subject of Bronowski and chess at the same time and I was only too happy to oblige.

<achieve><Daniel, you're worse than that. But of course to you it's just a game, right? At least make sure to gather all your buddies to provide enough ammo to deliver the killer blow, as you once put it.>

<Plato> was mentioned, so I responded, and then he decided to make it his business by bringing up a lot of old issues, so I felt I ought to quickly dispense with him. I'm not sure what makes you feel like you need to defend <Plato> or attack me.

This is the second time you've popped up to attack me for no apparant reason. I've never so much as uttered a single rude remark to you, so what gives? Do you really think that <Plato> of all people is deserving of an ounce of courtesy?

<Jess> You can make light of whatever you want. No worries. It's not a sore topic for me, and I'm happy to bat <Plato> down whenever he happens to address me.

That's because unfortunately you haven't matured one bit during those three months, nor have you been able to let go.

<Firstly, <Jess> mentioned you- I didn't conjure you up out of the blue. So why don't you can it with your little accusations that I have anything but disinterested contempt for you.>

As Jessica herself stated <I'm sorry if I helped restart anything acrimonious, this was the opposite of my intention.>. Isn't that obvious? Your insults came totally out of the blue, totally unprovoked, just like always. The fact that you use her comment as an excuse is just a cheap excuse for what you wanted to do -- and that is insult me again, after over a month of cease-fire.

<Jess> mentioned me in a pleasant context, saying that she is now friends with me. When she mentioned to me that she is friends with you a while ago, I did not feel the need to strike you down. I did not insult you once in all this time since our debate a month ago. But somehow, when she mentioned to you that she's friends with me, you took the opportunity to bash me condescendingly just like old times, *even after the debate was laid to rest over a month ago*. You just can't move on. This marks the third time that you have insulted me without any provocation from me or anyone else. So yes, it was out of the blue. For the third time in a row, after weeks or even months of quiet, you have appeared and shot an insult at me without me or anyone provoking you to do so. This demonstrates not just juvenile and immature behavior on your part, but a serious inability to move on from an argument that clearly got under your skin.

<"I apologized and you didn't, therefore I'm better than you, Nyuh, Nyuh!" One can only wonder at how "heartfelt" that apology was in the first place. Frankly, I don't feel I owe you any apologies, nor any conciliatory gestures whatsoever. I regard you as a sham, pretentious, intellectual phony.>

<This is the second time you've popped up to attack me for no apparant reason. I've never so much as uttered a single rude remark to you, so what gives?>

Whoa... accusing someone of popping up and attacking someone for no apparent reason? That rings a few bells. Did it occur to you that there may be others besides myself who realize that popping up after weeks or months to hurl fresh new insults at me -- after I hadn't said one bad word about you in all that time -- is not praiseworthy behavior?

<Do you really think that <Plato> of all people is deserving of an ounce of courtesy?>

Let me tell you something. You have nothing but "disinterested" (and actually not so disinterested) contempt for me, but that doesn't mean others feel the same way. I have contributed a lot of to this site, with plenty of game analysis and pleasant discussions. I have even renewed cordial relations with most of the people that I feuded with in the past. But none of those feuds ever turned as ugly as the ones with you (because for one thing they didn't sink as low as you did in debate), and all of them were able to move on after weeks and especially months -- which you haven't been able to. It seems to bother you that there are plenty of kibitzers who respect me and have no desire to cut me down at every opportunity as you do. Live with it. I am aware that there are plenty of kibitzers who respect you, and that doesn't bother me in the least.

<Fourthly, if it is I that am the punching bag, then how odd it is that you've felt the need to wander obsequiously about trying to regain friends, apologizing like mad.>

I have not been wandering obsequiously, nor did I lose friends that needed to be regained as a result of debating you. It's funny how you read into things. Your comment indicates that you have been following my posts in the month or more since our last debate, another indication that you're not as disinterested as you'd like to appear. I just continued posting as usual, while you left for over a month. I just put it behind me and moved on without looking back, something you have been consistently incapable of doing. Why that is, I don't know, but it certainly reflects badly on you.

Sorry, but when you attack me without provocation, I will defend myself. First of all this is <Jess>'s personal forum, which is very different from the Smyslov page. It was completely irrelevant there, but here lots of things unrelated to chess or GMs are discussed. And if you assume that my apology was meant to indicate that I wouldn't defend myself when people pop up after months and start ridiculing me out of the blue, then you're mistaken. But it wouldn't surprise me at at all if you decide to pop up on some GM page and insult me there, just like you did on the Carlsen and Smyslov pages. If so then I'll just respond right here in this forum (with a link to my response posted on that page) or on <chancho>'s forum or the forum of anyone else who is willing to divert the irrelevant arguments away from the those pages. I won't let you suck me back into further debates on those pages, although it wouldn't surprise me if you try to do just that.

But any time you insult me without provocation, like you have done repeatedly already, I will respond (on a personal forum). Maybe not right away, but if I see it I will respond. And every time the debate comes to some sort of conclusion, I will move on without insulting or ridiculing or speaking condescendingly about you in any way. Unless/until you decide to pop up and insult me without provocation, rekindling the flames after a long period of quiet.

I don't expect that we'll ever respect each other (although under different circumstances we could easily have been on good terms). Intellectually we don't respect each other, and we also consider the other to be arrogant and hypocritical. So we're not going to be friends, it seems, although I am certainly willing to try cordial relations if you'll stop insulting me without provocation. Otherwise I will ask again that we just move on and ignore each other, without looking back. That's what I did with you. In this month or more since our last debate, your name came up a few times on this and even other pages. I never took it as an opportunity to insult you. I never uttered so much as a single bad word about you. So in the future, if my name comes up, all I ask is that you do the same. Just don't relate to me. Because this is the third time that you have behaved in this unfortunate manner, and it's really getting old.

<<Plato> was mentioned> [By Jess], <so I responded> With this: <<page 139> <dp>-<Sorry to hear you're friends with <Plato>. I wouldn't call him a mortal enemy. More like a punching bag. A pile of cheap rhetorical tricks..> etc.. <and then he decided to make it his business by bringing up a lot of old issues, so I felt I ought to quickly dispense with him>

Like I said, you put forward the provoking post first.

If you can't get a few successive posts in the right order I'm sorry for you.

I jumped on this because I and others felt quite obnoxious re the way you both handled yourself at the Smyslov page. Left a bad taste.

Jess wanting to mediate in a playful way should be not a reason for you to jump on <Plato>, as you did in the manner described in my previous post. It's just out of order.

Personal insults and accusations are going to be met and you know it.

I didn't jump on you for no reason.. I just do not like your predatory feeding frenzy style but I guess that's just the way things go at your age. A little restraint would have been much more appropriate.

You probably are very busy and I wish you the best with your efforts.

<Plato> This is where I will leave the discussion and if I detect any insulting tone I will put one of you on ignore, as <Jess> adviced. I've never used that function to be honest but it might be the best thing in some cases.

I hope you can grow over this and be the fine kibitzers that you are, here at cg's.

Point has been made. If you continue to repeat yourself everyone is gonna get bored, or offended, and it all starts from scrap again.

I am not accusing you from anything - I just pointed out to <danielpi> what bothered me. And that it was also a leftover from the Smyslov page is obvious.

I'll try and erase that memory.

May I ask why??

Yes, I removed it even before you posted your response (as you noted) because I decided that my three posts were enough and that there was no need for more until <dp>'s inevitable response... at which point I probably will respond, too, depending on the nature of his post.