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Jul-08-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: HI <Timex> thanks for dropping by! Here is the weblink that explains EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW about <Seirawan Chess>. I played it a few times, it is really something to try, very exciting. http://www.chessmastery.com/seirawa...
Just click on the link there and it will tell you how to start playing. Jess |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <MORE <<INEXPLICABLE>> SHENANIGANS, <<KASPAROV-KARPOV>> 1990>: After reaching this position in the last game of the World Championship: 
click for larger viewKasparov calmly played <36.Rxa4>, establishing a seemingly overwhelming position. if Karpov took back with his knight (looks forced to me), Kasparov would have the bishop pair and an extra passed pawn in exchange for a rook. And then Kasparov OFFERED A DRAW!! Karpov, with good reason, immediately accepted. After the HUB BUB died down in the Press Room, <Bruce Pandolfini> had this to say by way of explanation: <"Karpov and Kasparov are almost a single entity...It is risky for <<Kasparov to annihilate Karpov>>. What would be left?... Most likely, his next opponent will be little more than a weak sparring partner."> OUCH!!!
If I were <Nigel Short>, would MY EARS EVER BE BURNING!! Heh
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| Jul-08-07 | | Eyal: <Jess> Btw, there are quite a lot of precedents where a player offers a draw in a won (or at least a better) position, when it's enough for him to win the match, including WC matches (e.g. Euwe vs Alekhine, 1935; Bronstein vs Botvinnik, 1951). |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Open Defence: also psychologically it would have been extremely advantageous for Kasparov to offer a draw from a position of strength... |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Tactic101: Hey Jess. Would you like a quick game on yahoo? Just drop me a line. Then we can organize everything. Hope to be playing you! |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Dr.Lecter: Sent you the email again. If you still don't get it, try checking the spam or something. maybe they put it there cuz you don't know my email. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Dr.Lecter: <OD> I'm with you on that one. by offering that draw, Kasparov might have been implying (on his ego) that he was capable of winning against anyone, without even trying. Karpov would have been discouraged, even when he got away with half point, so it really was a strong psychological blow. As <Art of War> says, <winning without a battle is the best> |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Open Defence: <that he was capable of winning against anyone> Tal did it to Benko as well.... |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Eyal: I doubt if Karpov had a reason to be more "discouraged" by a draw than by a loss... anyway, it should have been crystal clear to both players that the final position was won for Kasparov. However, a draw in this game was enough for Kasparov not only to hold his title, but to actually win the match and get the bigger prize money. By offering a draw in such a situation you both save yourself an effort and allow your opponent "gentlemanly" to have half a point, which doesn't really matter to you. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | acirce: Jan Timman wrote an article in New In Chess 1995/8 where he says <No other World Champion has so often startled his audience with premature draw offers as Kasparov. A fierce battle has been fought, with energic and inspired moves he has wrested the game away from his opponent, and then comes the disillusioning anti-climax: the draw offer, gratefully accepted by his astounded opponent.> Since the draw in <jessicafischerqueen>'s example was just what he needed to defend his title, it was just natural. Much more noise was made about game 19 (in this base incorrectly given as game 20) in the same match, Karpov vs Kasparov, 1990 - Spassky, for example, opined that it was a fix. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Eyal: <acirce> Does Timman mention other specific games where Kasparov made such "startling" draw offers? |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <acirce> If you go back one or two pages in my forum I have put the FEN up of game 19 and there is a discussion of the <Spassky> opinions as well, with different quotations from and about him posted by <Eyal> and me. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Eyal: <Jess> Hey, I got your mails. Congrats on finally reaching 1600 with Black! |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <To all my Chessy Friends>: Well thanks for all of your interesting opinions and information to do with my last three "Chess History" posts (one about <Pal Benko> and two about <K v K 1990> If you notice, I changed my Profile. This forum is no longer a <Chewing Gum> Blog, it is now a <Chess Gum> Blog. Plus I got a buncha new chessbooks I wanted to post stuff from. <<<Batchimeg>> of the Reading too many Chess Books>>. |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: Hi <Captain>!!
I could never have done it without you.
What are you up to? Are there games to watch soon? |
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| Jul-08-07 | | acirce: <Eyal> Yes:
Smyslov vs Kasparov, 1984
Short vs Kasparov, 1993
Kasparov vs Short, 1993
Kasparov vs Anand, 1995
Although not all of these are so strange considering the match situation and such. Also this one, where he offers a draw in a LOSING position, in a key game in the Interzonal (Kasparov was sharing the lead with Andersson, Tal and Beliavsky after 8 rounds) - and Andersson accepts: Ulf Andersson vs Kasparov, 1982
<jessicafischerqueen> Yep, I missed that! Sorry for jumping in here just to embarrass myself :-) |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Open Defence: <acirce> was that draw to confirm the places ? |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <acirce> you have never embarrassed yourself in a single one of the 59,000 posts you have made at <CG.com> |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Deffi> What's shakin'? Did you really solve a 1000 year old <shatranj> puzzle? Do you win a prize? I'm very impressed. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Eyal: <acirce> Thanks.
<Jess> The finals of Ciudad de Leon (Anand-Topalov) are played today - I think they start on 7:30 am "normal time"... |
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Jul-08-07
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Eyal>
Heh. Did you see the "dancing knights" KID game I posted in your forum? I love the dancing horses!! The game is even better than seeing them <Lippyzanner Stallions> IMO |
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| Jul-08-07 | | acirce: <<acirce> was that draw to confirm the places ?> Against Andersson? No, there remained four rounds. Timman speculates that chess history might have looked different if Andersson had played on and won. Of course, after this it appears that Kasparov won all (!) the remaining games and his qualifying to the Candidates was never threatened. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | Open Defence: hmmmm so Andersson must have been in a peaceful mood maybe ...or happy to keep his unbeaten streak maybe must go back and check if he was on a streak... Re: the 1000 year old Shatranj puzzle.. yes I solved it..if you like you can go through it at my fourm... and Hans Ree's review of this puzzle which I found after an exhausting google search.. seems to indicate that my solution has the same first move as Averbakh 1.Kb4.. (the full solution is not given anywhere I could find on the net)... but I have cross checked it and I believe my solution is correct. <did you win a prize> today is <Deffi Bragging Day> .... |
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| Jul-08-07 | | percyblakeney: If those are the best examples Timman can come up with over the years it isn't too impressive. Picking games from matches, all of them in situations where the opponent is the one that must win and Kasparov stays ahead with a draw... In the first example Kasparov wasn't even World Champion yet, but he was three points ahead, and played black. A few draws more and he's qualified for the title match. After 38 moves Smyslov offers draw in a worse position and Kasparov accepts. Maybe not as astounding as Timman sees it. On the Andersson game from 1982 I think I read somewhere that the Swede was in time trouble and that Kasparov was certain that he would take the draw in that position after having lost to Geller in the previous round. Still a lucky escape for Kasparov, even if he won the Interzonal with a 1.5 point margin in the end. |
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| Jul-08-07 | | acirce: Yeah, but Timman never says that these are the "best" or most striking examples. They are just presented as some examples. As for the draw against Smyslov, where Black has a huge and perhaps winning advantage in the final position (all his pieces are better), Kasparov himself said in The Test of Time that "[e]ven today I am unable to give any sensible reason for my failure to play on." In the game against Anand, the match score was still 2.5-2.5, and White was definitely at least borderline winning, although the position was also very complicated. It is possible that Timman had some sort of agenda, although it's not clear that it is actually meant as criticism. On the other hand I'm not sure he was factually wrong to say "No other World Champion has.." Not that it matters though. |
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