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Nov-21-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Bill> Is there any connection between Mongo Park, Ohio, and Mungo Park, of Scotland and West Africa? You may have discovered one of the great typos of colonial-era exploration. |
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| Nov-21-07 | | WBP: <Dom> Your typically astute and informed inquiry has sent me off to the various atlases (atli?) I have to confirm the existence of this place--and then the spelling. Lo and behold, I can't find the damn thing. The closest I can find is Mingo Junction (which may well be the place I was trying to rmemeber when I made the post in the first place, but could only remember the explorer's name instead). I even shamelessly used Google, but to no avail (i have not the heart to google "Mingo Junction+The Deerhunter" for fear that it would confirm that my memory is truly a thing of the past. |
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Nov-21-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Bill> You should see some of the stuff I've been shamelessly googling (yes, I confess everything, I've relapsed totally and now have a 2,150,000 hits per day habit). Like, uh, "Woody Allen Manhattan audience laugh", or something like that, which somehow pinpointed the quote I was looking for. I could have thrown in "gamma rays" and "brains" to narrow the search, but they were the bits I needed to find. Didn't one of the better American novelists -- T.C. Boyle, I think -- write a fictionalized version of Mungo Park's adventures in Africa? Maybe I should google "Coraghessan + Mandingo + obesity" ... |
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Nov-21-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Well you've done it again, you've inspired me:
<Everest:
<<<dark>>>. forbidding.
The Mountain with the biggest...> |
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Nov-22-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Hi <Bill>!
Good to see you. Holy Cow we are all very busy with our "real" lives this fall-- and good for us, I say. Thanksgiving (cheo-sok) is Korea's biggest holiday- five days off for the whole country. It was in September. "Canadian" Thanksgiving is a fact- but we have it in the "wrong month"- October. I told my students all about OUR Thanksgiving and how WE killed all the Indians after they gave us some turkeys. They seemed to find it quite funny, for some reason.
Yes- BLED for the first third, then Zagreb and another city. 1959 Candidates Tournament- one of the strongest ever, IMO. I'm up to round 8 now. I'm going through every game very slowly, and using my new "Shreddies 3" to help me understand some of the moves. But many of the moves by these players are not recognized as strong by my SHREDDIES. I bet Tal could whup it.
I've also been going through my own games with my SHREDDIES. In fact I was so pleased with a game I played last weekend -- I was getting slaughtered, lost my queen, and yet still won somehow- that I was going to post it. Then I ran my SHREDDIES over it and SHREDDIES told me that me and my opponent played like THE WORST PLAYERS ON THE PLANET. So I decided not to post it.
Sigh.
Stupid computers.
But I'm forcing myself to go over my losses with my SHREDDIES. It's torture. But I want to get better. Sigh.
Well I love chess. Even the HARD WORK part.
If it were easy, everyone would do it.
Regards,
JFQ |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Eyal: <Jess> As I told you, I was going lately through Tal's games in Bled, and in addition to the round-by-round sequence I was also looking at the various "mini-matches" - of 4 games - he had with each of the other players along the tournament. I found especially interesting - as "matches" - the ones he played with the other Russians, who were more or less on the same level with him (it seems that at his pick form in this tournament he was playing so much better than Olafsson, Gligoric, Benko and Fischer at 16, that he could win against them almost at will, no matter how the game developed). Especially striking is the contrast between his games with Petrosian, where he played rather non-aggressively and opted for short draws (as Petrosian himself did), and his games with Smyslov, where he was really pulling all the stops. Great clashes of style - the game in round 1 developing in a clear and logical way which exactly suited Smyslov, who very smoothly converts his advantage into a win in the endgame; whereas in the famous game from round 8 Tal completely forces <his> kind of play, and wins by creating tactical chaos on the board. Speaking of clashes between Tal and Smyslov - do you know the game Smyslov vs Tal, 1964? An outstanding gem even by Tal's standards, combining both a brilliant queen sac in the middlegame and a great endgame(!) |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Eyal: PS If you're roaming through the Fischer page, check out this post about characterizing players by "fear factor" - some of it is quite good: Robert James Fischer. |
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| Nov-22-07 | | WBP: <Jess> Thanks for all the holiday information. Man, I was misinformed! Yeah, Bled was some tourny--frightfully strong. Fischer's win against Tal (I believe it was his first) is quite a game, with its queen sac for an overwhelming position. I am inclined to agree with <Eyal> regarding Tal being too strong for everyone. Botvinnik wrote just after this tourny something to the effect that for the next 20-30 years, the chess world would be thrilled to follow the games between these two young geniuses. What a tragedy that prediction didn't come true. And what a tragedy Tal's career was. Such a gift, such promise, but his health issues were just too pressing. BTW, there's also another famous Tal-Smyslov encounter, in addition to the one <Eyal> mentions--it's from the 1959 Candidates Tourny, a Caro Kann. You may remember that from Tal's book (it's on page 148). Quite a remarkable game. (I remember Tal saying somewhere of a huge attacking/saccing game he'd won something like: "Without talent [or art] this would have been difficult; without luck, inpossible." That might not quite be right. Help, <Eyal>!) I'm glad to see that you are using Shredder, only because it's impossible for me to imagine anyone really getting good at the game nowadays who doesn't use a computer--not that this makes me particularly happy. One, it means that by my own definition, I'll never get good (I don't use a computer at all)! But two (and I've said this before), though it makes games now more precise in a way, it also makes the players more cautious (or so it seems to me). But your game is improving so, and there's no doubt your bouts with Shredder are helping you! |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Eyal: Hi Bill! Good to see you again after a long absence. Yeah, that famous Caro Kann game is the one from the 8th round which I mentioned. Interesting to note that in the next 2 games vs. Smyslov in this tournament - from rounds 15 (Smyslov vs Tal, 1959) and 22 (Tal vs Smyslov, 1959) Tal also played with a piece less, which he sacked/lost, most of the time. Unlike the Caro Kann game, he should have lost both, but somehow managed to win one and draw the other after some horrible blunders by Smyslov, who must have been to some degree intimidated by Tal and his style of play. They did say Tal "played like a pirate" against Smyslov in this tournament... (http://www.hotel-boos.de/schach/bil...) Btw, Fischer's first win over Tal indeed took place in Bled, but only two years after the candidates tournament (Fischer vs Tal, 1961); in 1959 Tal won all his four games with Fischer. Here's how Gligoric begins his book on the Fischer-Spassky 1972 match: <A scene shot by a Yugoslav film director at Bled in 1959 will remain an impressive memento of the world's chess in the latter half of the twentieth century. Tal raised his big, black eyes, looked at Fischer, and directed an overly scornful smile at the sixteen-year-old-boy. The manner in which he stared at his rival (rules of good manners ask for concentration upon the board) could only be accounted for by Tal's taking particular pleasure in psychologically challenging and outwitting his even younger rival who, absorbed in the problems of the play, was obviously unaware of what was going on around him.At the closing banquet of that event Fischer complained to the author of this text of having lost four superior positions against Tal.> |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Boomie: <WBP: And what a tragedy Tal's career was. Such a gift, such promise, but his health issues were just too pressing.> In spite of his health problems, Tal managed to play more games than just about anyone else. He overcame his adversity. Your statement minimizes his tenacity. |
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| Nov-22-07 | | Red October: Tal I think loved life as much as he loved chess.. so much so he couldn't restrain himself from some activities e.g. smoking etc but no doubting his fighting spirit, most put his victory over Botvinnik in their first match to youthful exuberence (especially since he lost the return) but I think it showed his talent, skill and hard work. Even though he lost the return he still won many games of the return match so there is no doubting that his chess prowess had not diminished but he was probably out prepared and this is where his weakness probably lay.. in preparing something for his opponent.. he probably was more satisfied with solving something OTB |
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| Nov-22-07 | | WBP: Hi <Eyal>! Thanks for the stuff on Tal-Smyslov and Tal-Fischer. Sorry I missed that it was at the Candidates Tourny of '59 that you were referring to (Benko didn't play in Bled '61, and Bled '59 was the four-game minimatches between players, not Bled 61, which was of course a regular tournament--should have read closae, but I'm really rushed right now!). I actually once had Gligoric's book, but misplaced it sometime ago. The only book I have of that match now is by C. H. O. D. Alexander. But Tal in the late fifties and early sixties was phenomenal, and of course he had many great moments and years (1973--he had a very long streak--over 100 games--without a loss that year). He was certainly a terror to face, and I think you're right about Smyslov perhaps not coming to grips with Tal's style of play. And Fischer's annotations to his games with Tal in MSMG are very interesting--perhaps telling. It's quite obvious that he has, at the very least, a healthy respect for him. <Boomnie> In no way did I wish to minimize Tal's tenacity--he's one of the very greatest fighters and lovers of the game of the last 60 years. I recall reading somewhere that while World Champion, he'd occasionally set up a board in a coffee shop and play anybody who wanted to play him. This story may be apocryphal, but it's hard to think of a World Champion--or any really strong player--other than Tal to whom it could apply, such was his love of chess. He was a much-feared opponent of the game's best for over thirty years. So of course he did, as you say, overcome his adversity, and did so in a manner inspiring to us all (surely he's among the most beloved of players). My only point was that his health problems did affect to some degree his successes and even his ability to play at times (something he attests to several times in his book), and that this for me is very sad (or tragic, if you will). He'd had major surgery a month or two before Curacao, and then had to withdraw from the tournament due to further health complications.(And Botvinnik had predicted he'd win the tournament.) Who knows how he well might have done had he been in good health then, and later in his career, how many more beautiful games he might have been able to play. To be sure, his lifestyle later contributed to some of his health problems, as <Red October> suggests, but he had frail health (bad kidneys) to begin with. But I was certainly not trying to minimize his fighting spirit. Sorry if that was the impression I gave. |
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| Nov-23-07 | | Boomie: <WBP> No problems here. I just wanted to point out that Tal played more chess than any other WC. I should have chosen a better way to say that. Had he been healthy I think he would have recaptured the title and held it into the 70's. But alas... |
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| Nov-23-07 | | Elixir of Life: <Boomie>
Had he been forcing himself to not smoke and drink to keep himself healthy, he wouldn't be Tal anymore :) <Jess> Hey, I'm back to the correspondence world, on the Gummybear Chessforum! I am playing a correspondence game against <Madbishop>. I would be glad if you came and watched. Please don't give suggestions though :) |
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Nov-23-07
 | | Domdaniel: <Jess> ... (Way) too many Jinx Hyper Lynx, I'm in Synchronicity City Urban Electric Black Night Crash Mode already. And it's only 11.00am here, allegedly. The sun, having no alternative, is shining on the <nothing knew>. Who noo, Broon coo?
Everest ... Defense de Montagnard ... Berg ist Verboten ... iceberg lettuce is a verb, let us assume (and none of that FBI crap about 'making an ass out of U and ME'). Gives me pins & needles, it does. Ou en Frog: j'ai des ♗rmis dans les jambes/ j'ai des 4mis dans les calembours/ Caesar adsum jam forte. Latin is mostly just <Olde Frogge>. You got a frog in the throat, lady, you need to see a croaker with a writing arm. And, and ... <basta! uncle! "Ei Ssorrenda">, they cry, but I Carry On At Your Convenience ... the Boyle (in the bag?) fictioneer wrote about Mungo Park *and* Dr Kellogg's Original Cornflake, which trumps Little Miss Muffet (the muppet) and her <whey-faced Kurds> (ahhh, the moppets) ... Tal? Lat op!
Corraghessan? Mulligatawny? Sorrentino ... "See Di and Naple ..." In this week's favorite* Dylan song, <Eejit Wind>, toggling between three versions (can you do a triple toggle, or is that a topological impossibility, like a Klein Bottle of Guinness Extra Stout?), I discover a classic Mondegreen. What I heard as "near the sacristy as the springtime turned" was really "near the cypress tree". Boo jinx and boojum snarks. I prefer 'sacristy', of course, as it's a slightly obscure item of church architecture ("the priest wore black") suggesting that Saint Bob's Godly phase began earlier than anyone suspected ... but I was wrong. R-O-N-G. Or 'wirrongo' if Bill still needs a rhyme for Mongo.
Bongo-Shaftesbury
Fashoda
The Upper Nile
"Denial is river in Africa".
*PS: the German chess term for 'favorite move' is 'Lieblingszug', which I think is bleddy exquisite. "Fischer played his beloved Lieblingszug, 1.e4, 'best by test' ... " A <darling> move. |
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| Nov-23-07 | | WBP: <Boomie> I'm with you all the way. He's one of my two or three favorites of all. His games have given me (and so many) so much pleasure. I'm glad you raised the point you did, because it allowed me to clarify my position a little. I do think there's a degree of truth to <Elixer of Life's <Had he been forcing himself to not smoke and drink to keep himself healthy, he wouldn't be Tal anymore :)>. But genius has its own ways! Thanks. <Dom> Absolutely brilliant! I really have no idea how you come up with this stuff! And thanks for <wirrongo>--it'll come in mighty damn handy. Always glad to learn a new "mongo"-rhyming words. (And BTW, my fascination with "mongo" may well stem from the old Buster Crabbe Flash Gordon serials I saw as a kid in Chicago.) |
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Nov-23-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: good lord I haven't seen this much action since we beat the Wog in the <All-England> Test at <Old Trafford> in 9 BC. I believe Biggles went 30 over and 500 under in that epic match. Regards,
JFQ |
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| Nov-23-07 | | WBP: <Jess> Have you heard the one about the chessplayer, the broken fire truck, and the dog? |
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Nov-23-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: No, but there better be a punch line soon buster! |
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| Nov-23-07 | | WBP: <Jess> <<<Jess> Have you heard the one about the chessplayer, the broken fire truck, and the dog?> <No...>>
Oh, neither did I.
<there better be a punch line soon buster!> Guess I'm in trouble, huh? |
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| Nov-23-07 | | Boomie: < Have you heard the one about the chessplayer, the broken fire truck, and the dog?> And the dog said "That queen got hosed." |
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Nov-23-07
 | | Domdaniel: < Have you heard the one about the chessplayer, the broken fire truck, and the dog?> Is that the very, very long one? A veritable <shaggy chessplayer> yarn, featuring Jon Speelman circa 1980 -- 'shag' doesn't begin to capture the hirsuteness of <Specimen, le Grand Maitre Poilu>. The French have two distinct words for '1960s hippie' and 'present day neo-hippie' -- <hippie> and <baba cool>. Speely got the nickname 'Specimen' because of a wicked misprint in a newspaper - which ran a report of a tournament going something like <"1 Miles, 2-4 Nunn, Specimen (pictured), Short ... ">. Who could resist *that*? Until the day he turned up on TV looking handsome, with a sharp new 1990s haircut and a devil-may-care drop-dead-dictionary panache that saw him use words like 'theriomorphic' -- a god manifesting in the form of a wild beast. The dog meanwhile is none other than Fang, the Talking English Dog in person as himself. Raising the not-so-trivial question as to whether a canine, being denied the state of personhood by both civil and ecclesiastical law, can still be said to appear 'in person'. If he (or she in the case of a bitch) is -- like, say, Lassie -- sufficiently well-known to support stunt doubles, stand-ins, body doubles, full frontal doubles and of course 'dogging' doubles -- then a personal appearance must count for something. Since Fang is a talking dog he should be able to shed some light on this. But bright lights frighten him -- it goes back to a murky incident with a certain Pavlov during his Russian tour -- so he kinda clams up on the subject. When a talking dog clams up on you, you're in excreta creek sans oar. Also, it throws that nice Carl Von Linne's <Linnean System> into chaos, with dogs, clams and orator parrots all perched on the wrong branches. Meanwhile in 1920s Moscow, Capablanca is playing in a chess tournament and being filmed for posterity, while Pavlov does unspeakable Pavlovian things to the defenceless but speakable Fang. Well, you'd speak out, wouldn't you? Never mind the Bolsheviks, you'd complain. And anyway it's still the 1920s, they don't have their Gulag fully kitted out yet. So, enter the Animal Liberation Front, and its fearless leader Alf Mann aka Alf Biskitt. The bomb ruptures the spacetime continuum. Fang escapes into 18th century London and a nice chat with Dr Johnson, who is no more astounded to meet a talking dog than he would be to encounter a woman standing on her hind legs, for example. Yeltsin shells the Duma, Kurtz wins his match against Gelfand, Specimen is trapped in a Groundhog Day loop and collects his 187th Grandmaster norm without qualifying for the title. "Sod this for an enantiomorphic lark", he sighs, "FIDE's left hand doesn't know what its right hand is scratching. I'm quitting chess. In fact, I always wanted to be a fireman ... wonder if the Observer needs a Conflagrations Columnist?" As the time-space disturbance dies down, an n-dimensional hypercraft arrives to shuttle everyone back where they belong. It is vast and Tardis-like on the inside, but on the outside it looks like ... a broken fire truck. FIDE rectified Speely's GM title, and his 185 spare norms were redistributed among needy Ukrainians. And Fang lived a long and litter-producing life in the 18th century, where the smells were more interesting. And the morel? Some kind of fungus, I think. |
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Nov-23-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: yes, a tasty mushroom indeed.
That's a complete "minature" short story there, <Dom>. thanks for Publishing it in my forum!!
(I now own all proprietary rights)..
Look for <Jessica Fischer's> "BLOOD ON THE BOARD- Jack London's Dog Learns How To Play Chess and then Runs for President of Russia" In your local bookshop.
Only 50 quid, lads!
Place your orders now |
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Nov-23-07
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Holy Moly did you know <Tal> told <Korchnoi> in 1990 that if <Korchnoi> had beaten <Karpov> in their 1978 match, the Soviets were planning to kill him? Imagine playing under that kind of pressure. And he almost beat <Karpov> too!! |
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| Nov-24-07 | | Boomie: <jessicafischerqueen: Holy Moly did you know>
Did you know that everything you know is wrong? Of course, then if you know it's wrong it must be right. Do the Hun
It's the new dance craze
Do the Hun
It's the latest phase.
Anyone can do it
Once you get the handle.
I learned it from a Visigoth
who got it from a Vandal.
Do the Hun.
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