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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> It's late here so I will wait until morning to take up the challenge. As for my comment to Woody, I will say that <Qf7> (instead of Qf6 for example) would be hard to find OTB because of the need to keep Black's third rank clear for a possible rook lift. I do think that Nb3 would be relatively easy for me to find OTB because I tend to look at those kinds of moves--they keep the tension instead of releasing it. I am not sure how to explain it other than I like knights better than bishops and thus "see" the possibilities better with knights. I don't think that I would see an equivalent move so quickly if a bishop were involved. thanks--hms
(teaser comment--in the FEN my first reaction was Nf6+ quickly followed by the thought of Nf8+, with no time off the clock. I will look further in the morning and give a full report.) |
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| Nov-30-08 | | achieve: PS - I just watched the first 10 minutes of <Surveillance> following your raving review over at Dom's, after it took A WHOLE DAY to pirate the darn movie from a bit torrent... Looks awesome sofar...
Btw upon longer computing time, Rybka even evals 1...Qh4 as approaching the 3.00 already... but I like the way it works its way "towards" a bigger number, while given the same line Shred might be approaching +5.00 --- Not sure, on that I would have to check further... |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Thanks gentlemen!!
Very instructive commentary on the Psychological process of human move selection, and on comp evals. <Niels>-- my opponent in fact played <Qf6> in the position. He proceeded to play two curiously static and tentative moves that allowed me to develop my DSB and get my Rook in action-- And to win a game that should have been his, based on that stinking FEN. BTW I spent a few hours more going over the actual opening of that game today and I found more things than I did yesterday. In fact I didn't even play a game on <Yahoo> today, as I then got interested in <Woody's> INNOVATION which he didn't play.... Ok back later Oh I almost forgot I wanted to kill that German guy in the Spassky vid, who kept forgetting what he was talking about and interrupting Spassky and not even listening to Spassky's answers... How could he forget <Radjabov's> name? He's the 7th highest rated player on the planet for cripe sake. And I hated how he kept mentioning "I am a GM" etc.
I'm glad I never have to hear him again.
I wish Spassky did a weekly TV show on chess reminiscence, analysis, and personal biography... |
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| Nov-30-08 | | achieve: <Oh I almost forgot I wanted to kill that German guy in the Spassky vid> HA! Same here - but then I told myself to CHOOSE to not let that guy get to me, but I failed, and ended up ... well you can guess the rest of the story... I ENDED UP IN JAIL!!!
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: I'd serve a thousand life sentences to get one German GM who can't remember Radjabov's name and keeps interrupting the 10th world champion off the street.... I do have to say however that <Susan Polgar> comes across a lot better speaking than she does "blogging." Maybe she should shut down her website and concentrate on her TV appearances. |
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| Nov-30-08 | | achieve: ~heh~
"Frau Polgar, leider müssen wir Ihre Web-seite schliessen, sogar per Direkt. Wir bitten um Ihrer Verständnis." "Danke vielmals." |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: "I am a Jam Doughnut"!
(thunderous applause)
JFQuennedy |
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| Nov-30-08 | | achieve: <Jess> The line which I thought first of but let go, and for some reason escapes the engines, is best (plus a little eval list for entertainment purposes): Move ----------- Shred eval
<1...Qh4> ------- 2.4 <2. Bxh7>------- 5.0 <2...e4> ------- 6.5 <3. Bg6+ Ke7> --- 7.75 <4 Qe2 Rf8> ---- 8.2 <5. Kg1 Nd3!> --- 11.41  click for larger view I think we have the sub-"subject" of engine evaluations, illustrated here nicely... There ARE a few better defenses, but the crushing-procedure is unstoppable, in any variation... (Rybka goes equally berserk here, with evals shooting up-down-up with every second... right up to minus 14 etc... amazing, really) |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Boomie: <Jess the Mess: "I am a Jam Doughnut"!> I went to a Doughnut Jam once. I played the Sprinkles. Mr. Sonic Boom |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Open Defence: http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=iL6Ub...
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?feature... |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <1950s Bomber Jacket> Good grief I didn't understand a word of that!!
I think you may be spending too much time around me... Mrs. Stop Making Sense. |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Open Defence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcnT... |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Open Defence: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKN... |
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> It is 7:14 am. Here are my “rules”—largely adapted (i.e., stolen) from the Puzzle of the day folks. I will type my thoughts in a WORD document, then cut-and-paste into a kibbutz (Niels told me the correct spelling) box. No machines, no board other than the diagram, no moving things around. If I need a diagram later I will add it in at the end. A)
1. Nf6+ Kh8
Now it looks as though I have to take the rook to make progress so
2. Rxg7 Kxg7
Now what? Can I play <e7> giving up the knight so as to queen the pawn? Let’s see.
3. e7 Kxf6
4. e8(Q) Nd6+
Uh-oh that‘s no good. Be sure to add “watch out for forks” to the list. I don’t like this line anyway. It trades my active rook for his lousy one and lets the BK back into the game. I may be able to grind out a win after Nf6+ but I will worry about it later. B1)
1. Nf8+ Kg8
There’s no point in Kh8 because I am going to play
2. Ng6 and bottle up the BK.
Now what? The mathematician in me wants to play a “zero” move to see what I’ve go so let’s let Black play
3…….Ra7
That’s no good—I just play <Ne7+> and clip off the pawn at <c6>.
Maybe
3……Rc7 instead.
But now it looks like I can play <e7> and then either penetrate with my King (perhaps after discovering check with <Ne5+> which walls off the BK).
4. e7 Rc8 and now
5. Ne5+ Kh7 I guess
6. Rg6 ought to be good enough to win.
B2)
1. Nf8+ Kg8
2. Ng6 Nd6+
3. Ke5 Nf7+
4. Kf6 This looks too easy.
Overall, I wanted to find a clear win and first looked to see if simplification (exchanging rooks) would do it. It wasn’t clear enough, so I kept looking. Bottling up the BK and letting the knight and then the rook occupy g6 seemed like the best plan. Black got no counter-play at all. Once my king could enter the position the game was over. In reflection, I think that I may have focused too much on that one corner of the board. Perhaps I should have looked at the possibility of an Arabian mate by swinging the rook to a1 and then a8. It might take too long. I didn’t bother because I think the game is won at this point. (It is 7:48. That’s 34 minutes plus 10 minutes to recognize that this was the time to look for something good.) This was good for me to do. I will do more of it in the future. |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: < Perhaps I should have looked at the possibility of an Arabian mate by swinging the rook to a1 and then a8. It might take too long. > You are truly a man of some considerable diligence-- and genius. And, as with many of the endeavors of men, it is the "flight of fancy" that occurs to some- a select few-- including you, apparently-- that should not be dismissed, but embraced. Your hard thought line works-- BLOODY GOOD SHOW...
But your flight of Arabian fancy is not only a BRILLIANT FIND-- it is not, as you fear "too long." Quite the contrary. It is actually the most direct, not to mention sublime, path to the kill. You have it!!! Ride your Arabian horse on the path you outlined there-- And then find the path to the mating pattern- Black is helpless to stop it once the Arabian forces get to the squares you name at the end of your post. Show me the finish and I'll give you a <GM norm> for Christmas. BLOODY GOOD SHOW
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> I didn't find any arabian mates (at least not without help from Black) but 1. Nf6+ Kh8
2. Ra1 Nb6 (other moves don't seem any better)
3. Ra6 Rb7
4. Rxb6 Rxb6
5. e7 is a winner.
Did I miss something? or is just the threat of the mate enough? Wasn't there a Spassky-Fischer WCh game that featured a long rook move along the back rank by Fischer? I was watching on TV and remember that it caught the analysts off guard. I will look for it. |
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> I just took a quick look at the WCh match and couldn't find the game. I am sure it was a Fischer game, and can't imagine that it wasn't during that match. I will look more closely at the games. |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Howard>
You have the solution--
The only reason the game solution is shorter, and so beautiful, is that Black makes an Error after 1.Nf6+ Kh9
2.Ra1 <Re7?>
Ok from this position, do you see the Kill shot?
Three moves to mate from here- Black can't prevent the mate except by playing "suicide" moves... Black resigned after White's 3d move from the FEN...
Seeing too late the mate danger.
It took me over an hour to figure out why Black had to resign from that point-- Easy to miss the mating combo in over the board play (as Black indeed overlooked it!!), as it is counter-intuitive-- involving the willingness to give up material for the forced mate. Solution is here from Move 54 on--
I Sokolov vs I Rogers, 2007
Very excellent work from you!! You would have won in any of the lines you gave. |
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Nov-30-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Plus I think "Arabian mate" might have been a red herring. I don't think I understood the exact definition of that kind of mate-- Or rather, I misunderstood it .. Sorry if that caused trouble in your thinking!!! |
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> I confess to not seeing that particular mate. I just thought that if Black moved the rook along the file he was going to be in serious danger of mate. Here'a link to Arabian Mate. Anytime the knight is at <f6> and the king is blocked in the corner this mate is worth remembering.
http://www.beginchess.com/chess/ara... |
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <jess> BTW, that is really a nice mate with <Rg6>. As you say, it is very easy to miss. I know I would just tell myself--"that's no good--if I play Rg8+ he'll just take the knight." It shows what I know. |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Open Defence: its in the 1000 and 1 Arabian Mates
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| Nov-30-08 | | hms123: <niels> <jess> One last comment on <...Qf7>. Niels likes the dark squares for the Queen, but putting the Queen on a white diagonal is what allows <...Qh5> and the very real threat of <...Rd1+>. I do think that what Kotov (Think Like a Grandmaster) calls "creeping moves" are the hardest to find. Here's an example from his book. Look at Spassky's 26th move in this position:
 click for larger viewSpassky vs Korchnoi, 1968
Here's another example (white to move)
 click for larger viewfrom Smyslov vs Reshevsky, 1948 Finally, here's a challenge: find the "creeping move" (White to move) in this position after <46...Qe5>  click for larger viewSmyslov didn't find it but one of the kibitzers gives the answer in Smyslov vs Petrosian, 1953
(Hint: Petrosian is threatening <47...Nf2+ 48. Kh4 Qxh2#>) |
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| Nov-30-08 | | Open Defence: <And I hated how he kept mentioning "I am a GM" etc. > he probably meant Grand Mother
like the Grand Mothers of Invention |
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| Dec-01-08 | | achieve: <howard> Yes, you are right-- it's funny how the mind works, and sometimes just "ends up" in some kind of tunnel vision, while having focused on a line for several minutes, and "seeing the board and the movements" in a certain way... Avoiding overload... But precisely in eg the Smyslov vs Reshevsky "creeping move" type of position, when playing a long 2h time-control, is where I feel most comfortable, getting to know all 64 squares and the remaining pieces personally, doh, but really, I feel I can take on anyone from those (late middlegame) positions. That confidence, justified or not, makes me enjoy chess and probably even has me <looking> for those subtle moves... Though I did not see the Subtlety of Spassky's move, at first, I now think I know what the pointe is, but I keep it to myself first, no spoilers for other attempts. <Beauty in Chess for me personally> As the game progresses, (having sailed the, for me, windy waters of the opening--->middle game), unique new positions keep showing themselves to us, each one offering its own subtle secrets that are just beneath the surface, waiting to be unveiled... Do we keep looking for them?
Have we unlearned what we have learned?
Can we keep a "freshness" in our approach each new postion as she occurs, through-out? <creeping moves> I LOVE them, and will try and find a few examples myself... |
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