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| Dec-14-08 | | Augalv: <Jessica> in your opinion, has there been a less drawish player than Bobby? |
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Dec-14-08
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<Frog Forwarded Game Scores> This week we feature <Open Defence> in a very exciting, wild and wooly <Frog>= Open Defence: A true Frog defies dissection
White: Shadrach (Where is my mind)
Black: Scorpion_Queen (Open Defence)
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. Nf3 a6 8. c4 f5 9. Nc3 Bf6 10. Qd2 c5 11. d5 e5 12. h4 e4 13. Ng5 Nd7 14. O-O-O h6 15. Nh3 Bd4 16. Ne2 Be5 17. f4 Bf6 18. g4 b5 19. gxf5 Nb6 20. Nc3 Bxf5 21. Nxe4 Bxe4 22. Re1 Kf8 23. Rxe4 Na4 24. Re5 Qd6 25. cxb5 c4 26. Qa5 Bxe5 27. fxe5 Qxe5 28. Qxa4 Qe3+ 29. Kb1 Qe4+ 30. Kc1 Qxh1 31. Qa3+ Kg8 32. Qg3+ Kh7 33. Qf2 Rhf8 34. Qf5+ Kg7 35. Qg4+ Kh8 36. Qf4 Qxd5 37. Qxh6+ Kg8 38. Ng5 Rfd8 0-1 |
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Dec-14-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Open Defence:> <jess>- Re: your Questions about my game: I guess you mean 24.b3 instead of 24.Re5 by White is better than what White played,
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but after 24...Nc3 it looks like White needs to play 25.Re5 anyway, the Black DSB is a much better piece than the White rook so Re5 does not seem to be a mistake, I only took the exchange after I found a route to simplification with 24...Qd6 in the game my notes during the game had 24.b3 Nc3 25.Re5 Qa5 when White will experience a lot of uncomfortable moments defending his king, my preliminary checking with Rybka seems to indicate that the tactics are beyond quick analysis and it needs a lot of sliding and human intervention to get on the right track |
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Dec-14-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Woody Wood Pusher>: <White: Shadrach (Where is my mind)>
<Black: Scorpion_Queen (Open Defence)> My congratulations <OD>! That is one roller-coaster of a ride!
Impressive stuff, can I ask what the time control was for that? |
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Dec-15-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Augalv> thanks for dropping by! I'm going to post the <Fischer Thread> here in my Profile on to the <Fischer page> OK? I've got a chess game up here I want people to look at so I need to keep the board clear for a bit. See you on <Bobby's> page!! |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: So the question is, 'to 24.Re5 or not to 24.Re5?'
Sure shuts that DSB up, but I think the gagging order was too expensive in the end and the lawyers should have fought for a better deal. |
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Dec-15-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: <Wood> well that's what I thought too, but we need more anlaysis and lines-- Some Big Guns with Big Engines will drop by soon, with any luck. <Deffolo> is busy giving chess lessons at the moment. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <Some Big Guns with Big Engines will drop by > I would like to help, but I'm up to my eyes in SQUAB and it's still quite tactical so I need to go slow right now. I will be a very curious onlooker though!
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Dec-15-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: Well I'm hoping for a little <Eyal> and <Bomber Crispness>.... They are usually up for a little run through on a good game. They are also busy- but I have a good excuse now to delete all the new posts in my forum.. heh |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: O.K. I will take a look while we wait for the <Big Guns> to get here. Starting with this 24.Re5 business.
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: If you have the game loaded into the computer a couple of FEN's from interesting points might help save some time. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: One thing is sure, I definitely like black better by move 24. I think white should let the b pawn drop off (if black want to collect it that is) and try and activate his sleepy R+N somehow...and bishop of course. If the a8-h1 diagonal is cleared Bg2 gets more tempo...so maybe 24.d6 is an option. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | hms123: <jess> I will take the <Deffi-challenge> today without the use of my imitation Korean-squabber. It couldn't <Han-dle> it anyway (or so you say). |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: 24.b3,Nc3 25.Re5,Qa5 24.Kb2,Bxe5 25.fxe5,Qxa2+ 26.Kxc3,b4+ 27.Kd3,Qxb3+ 28.Ke4,
click for larger viewOK I just corrected a mistake.
I think this gives both sides chances, its very complicated, but I'm actually leaning towards 24.b3 right now. But then in 7 days I might think something else. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Ziggurat: <jess> Thanks for the heads-up on the <OD> game - I really enjoyed playing through it. I felt she established a firm grip on the game in the beginning, and it is possible she was better all along, but <where is my mind> kept challenging her with active and imaginative play and it all became very interesting. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | hms123: <jess> The <OD> game was great once it really got going. Besides, I like the French and am glad to have a chance to look at something other than <1....c5> and <1....e5>. Some thoughts:
1. At this point (Black to move)
click for larger viewI would have given serious consideration to <23....Nc8 24. Nf2 Nd6>.
click for larger viewWith a slightly more closed position, I would play for the blockade without question. 2. I do like <Deffi's> <23...Na4> but it forces White to make a good move <24.Re5>
click for larger view
but after <24.Qd6> White fell from grace by playing <25.cxb5> rather than getting the pieces coordinated with something like <25.Nf2 Bxe5 26. fxe5 Qxe5 27.cxb5 axb5 28. Bxb5 Nb6>
click for larger view3. Once White took the knight at <a4> the game was over. <Wild and wooly> indeed. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | sentriclecub: I replied to the math puzzle. I don't think that my brain can wrap around the question. I'm still confused and will give it some more thought tomorrow after a full rest. Is it "math as language" or "math as observations" or "math as rules"? I am not skilled at this realm of puzzles. I have lots of opportunity to improve at this realm of puzzles. Just send some hints my way, and I'll try to give a well reasoned opinion. SC later |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Nice analysis <hms>! So 24.Re5 was better than 24.b3 then? Oh well,
That just confirms my suspicion that <OD> is a better chess player than me. heh |
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| Dec-15-08 | | hms123: <woody> I am pretty confident that <24.Re5> is a sound exchange sac. The connected passed center pawns are plenty of compensation. <OD> played that game very well. She kept the tension up in a loose position that would make me a little uncomfortable. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Open Defence: well Re5 would either be played on move 24 or move 25 but after 24.b3 I think the rook is not to be taken for some moves.... regarding the passers... well thats why I played Qd6 which neutralized them... <hms123> is spot on about <25.cxb5> and taking the Knight on a4 being bad but it is interesting to see that none of my engines had 18...b5 as their top move (maybe they need a really long think) most choose 18...Nb6 which lands Black in a lot of trouble since White can control the center |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Open Defence: for example 18...Nb6 19.Qc2 fxg4 20.Qxe4+ is a 20 ply Rybka 3 line for (+0.29) but in the resulting position Black will struggle to barely survive back sliding also does not change the choice from the anti-positional gxf5 so the problem seems to be 18...Nb6 back sliding one ply back to 18.g4 and Rybka settles for 18...Nb6 19.Qc2 Bxh4 (+0.20) but the extra pawn would hardly compensate for the loss of the center, poor King position and shattered pawns for Black the typical human response would be to create counter threats against the Black King so 18...b5 has to be the logical <human> choice |
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| Dec-15-08 | | Boomie: Good Def Frenches Make Good Neighbors
Through 12. h4, the game follows the IM draw E Vorobiov vs O Chebotarev, 2005, where black played the lamo 0-0 and shook hands shortly thereafter. But our Deffi is made of sterner stuff and proceeded with e4 which is probably the best move. From here the game follows Fritz11's top move through 15...Bd4. Overall I'd say the opening was well played by both. 17...Bd6 may be better than Bf6. f6 should be left open for the knight. The knight on f6 aims at h5 and g4, increasing white's defensive burden. Also the general rule is knights do badly on b6. White's pieces have no good moves and he will have to perform major surgery to unravel. Bd6 blockades the d-pawn which white may push to open d5. 18. g4 is a fine move and I'm surprised white found it. I know I would have missed it. 18...b5 seems premature. Although this push is tempting, black's forces are hardly prepared to mount an attack on the white king. Black needs to unravel the queenside a bit. Notice that if 17...Bd6 had been played, the knight could go to f6 and the other bishop to d7 supporting b5. 21. cxb5 axb5 22. Bxb5+ gave white a nice advantage. Perhaps white had a vision thing with 21. Nxe4. He probably missed 22...Kf8 which is a hard move to find OTB. 24. Re5 is a fine Petrosianic move which I wouldn't have found. I might have played for the cannon on the g-file. 25. cxb5 is too ambitious and misses black's response. b3 was white's last chance at equality. 26. Qa5 compounds his problems. White needs to move pieces to the queenside starting with Nf2 and then perhaps Rh3. 27. Qxa4 may have been white's last chance to save the game. |
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| Dec-15-08 | | hms123: <woody> You could be right about <b3>--I will post some computer lines in the morning (GMT-6). |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Hey <JFQ> that story about the monk is really fascinating! I would fall for that for sure I think...
I'm waiting around for <hms> who has promised some computer analysis on 24.b3/Re5 and seeing as he does all that Matrix like sliding really well, I'm hopeful of an interesting result. |
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Dec-16-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: Hi <Wood>
heh- yes, <Howard> always does what he says he'll do. He'll get around to the promised analysis -- He may have been waylaid by a <good night's sleep> or possibly a bottle of <Chateau Neuf Rothschild de la Montagne 1870> and some <Squab de Foie Gras>... |
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