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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <a bottle of <Chateau Neuf Rothschild de la Montagne 1870> and some <Squab de Foie Gras>...> I'll take the drink, but I don't believe in eating Foie Gras after watching a documentary on it. |
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Dec-16-08
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Not even if <squabs> are used instead of <Geese>? You see, they don't need to <force feed> Squabs in an inhumane way, because they are constantly eating out of Dumpster Bins!! yum... |
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Dec-16-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: NEW FEATURE!!
<Frog Forwarded Game Scores> This week we feature <Open Defence> in a very exciting, wild and wooly <Frog>= Open Defence: A true Frog defies dissection
White: Shadrach (Where is my mind)
Black: Scorpion_Queen (Open Defence)
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Be7 6. Bxf6 gxf6 7. Nf3 a6 8. c4 f5 9. Nc3 Bf6 10. Qd2 c5 11. d5 e5 12. h4 e4 13. Ng5 Nd7 14. O-O-O h6 15. Nh3 Bd4 16. Ne2 Be5 17. f4 Bf6 18. g4 b5 19. gxf5 Nb6 20. Nc3 Bxf5 21. Nxe4 Bxe4 22. Re1 Kf8 23. Rxe4 Na4 24. Re5 Qd6 25. cxb5 c4 26. Qa5 Bxe5 27. fxe5 Qxe5 28. Qxa4 Qe3+ 29. Kb1 Qe4+ 30. Kc1 Qxh1 31. Qa3+ Kg8 32. Qg3+ Kh7 33. Qf2 Rhf8 34. Qf5+ Kg7 35. Qg4+ Kh8 36. Qf4 Qxd5 37. Qxh6+ Kg8 38. Ng5 Rfd8 0-1 |
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| Dec-16-08 | | sentriclecub: <JFQ: You'd have to define what you mean by philsophy in a more succinct, comprehensible fashion.> That's the problem. I don't think philosophy can be made to fit this cookie-cutter mold. I don't aree philosophy is the "love of wisdom", and if it is, then I'm relieved and can come out of my hole. To be accurate, I think I'm confusing scientific skepticism with everything I've talked about. Thus, I believe my posts reflect a perceived lack of skepticism in philosophy. Perceived from what? I don't know. I don't read philosophy, nor study it. <It's a bit dizzying, in that you jump from point to point and subject to subject without any real kind of logical or even semantic coherency.> Yes! I intentionally made it that way! No problem with the cut-n-paste. Already took care of it. Hey, at least I'm honest when I'm wrong. Mistakes are a tool to gain wisd om.
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Dec-16-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: Thanks <cub>!! |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> It loks like you were right about <b3>. After <24.b3>
click for larger view<24…Nc3 25.Re5 Qa5 26.Kc2> 
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 10: 23 ply
1. = (0.00): 26...Qxa2+ 27.Kxc3 Qa1+ 28.Kc2 Qa2+ 29.Kd3 Qxb3+ 30.Ke4 bxc4 31.Qe3 Rb8 32.Qxc5+ Kg8 33.Bxc4 Qc2+ 34.Kf3 Bxe5 35.fxe5 Rb3+ 36.Kf4 Qd2+ 37.Kf5 Qc2+ 38.Kf4 2. = (0.00): 26...b4 27.a4 Nxa4 28.bxa4 Qxa4+ 29.Kb1 Bxe5 30.fxe5 Qb3+ 3.  (0.32): 26...Bxe5 27.fxe5 b4 28.a4 Nxa4 29.bxa4 Qxa4+ 30.Kd3 Re8 31.Ke4 Qa1 32.e6 Qb1+ 33.Ke5 Qa1+ 34.Kd6 Rd8+ 35.Kxc5 |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Open Defence: 18...Nb6 19.Qc2 fxg4 20.Qxe4+ Qe7 21.Nf2 Bd7 22.d6 Qxe4 23.Nxe4 Bg7 24.Nxc5 Nxc4 25.Ng3 Ne3 26.Re1 Bd4 27.Nb3 Ba7 28.Kd2 Bc6 29.Rh2 0-0-0 30.Rxe3 Bxe3+ 31.Kxe3
click for larger viewfrom here 24 ply by Zappa Mexico II scores this at (+0.72) 31..Rhe8+ 32.Kf2 Rxd6 33.Be2 Bd7 34.Rh1 |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> There was considerable sliding back and forth involved in analyzing your <b3> lines. Good job on your part. |
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Dec-16-08
| | jessicafischerqueen: Ladies and gentleman-- the <Squab is afoot> and the <Elephant is beginning a Journey>... Details deep in the <Woods> |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <jess> a very small emu has followed its mom--hms |
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| Dec-16-08 | | achieve: <Jess> And mine might well have followed howard's one in... good... |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: < hms123: <woody> There was considerable sliding back and forth involved in analyzing your <b3> lines. Good job on your part> This analysis looks really good <hms> and I am going to enjoy looking at it...but <<24.b3!> was <JFQ>'s suggestion!> ......so I am afraid I will have to hand back the winners medal and have my name struck from the record books for all time. Great instincts <JFQ>! |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody. Well then...GOOD WORK JESS! on the <squabbulous find of b3>. I should have known. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <2. = (0.00): 26...b4 27.a4 Nxa4 28.bxa4 Qxa4+ 29.Kb1 Bxe5 30.fxe5 Qb3+> I'm quite surprised this line evals out at equal, I thought the white king was needed with the central pawn mass to keep equality. But I suppose he helps if the a-pawn decides to make a dash for it. It looks like white has just enough time to organize his pieces with accurate play then. Probably white had already paid too high a psychological price to get this far against <OD>'s extremely complex and sharp play though...even at 7 days per move! Now that is saying something! |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> I am running the position after <30...Qb3+>. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> 19 ply--this is going nowhere. I am going to try a different approach.
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 10:
1. = (0.00): 31.Qb2 Qd1+ 32.Ka2 Qa4+ 33.Kb1 Qd1+
2. = (0.00): 31.Kc1 Qa3+ 32.Kb1 Qb3+
3. = (0.00): 31.Ka1 Qa3+ 32.Kb1 Qb3+
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: This sequence here
= (0.00): 26...Qxa2+ 27.Kxc3 <Qa1+> is the exact thing I think a human would probably miss OTB I didn't even consider 27..Qa1+ when I was looking at this as analysis, its 'lucky' for white that a 28.Kc2,Bxe5 29.fxe5,Qxe5 line happens to be worse for black here... but taking the opportunity to play a sneaky Qa1 to link with the DSB might have been a very powerful resource with only a few slight changes in the position. thanks |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <<woody> 19 ply--this is going nowhere. I am going to try a different approach.> Yea, probably the computer's evaluation is that it is down on material and so it will play for the draw as black whereas a human might think he still had an opportunity for more with white's extra material still in the shed. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> <31.Kc1 a5 32.<<Nf2>> a4> 
click for larger viewdoesn't work because <Rh3> traps the BQ. It looks like <Nf2> is the only move that leads to a win. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <1. = (0.00): 31.Qb2 Qd1+ 32.Ka2 Qa4+ 33.Kb1 Qd1+ > If I was playing a must win game as black here I would play 31...Qg3 My 'black might have more' assessment was just a wild idea though, I get impressionable when I see a King isolated from his pawns. In a normal game I would go for the draw for sure here. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> I was in the midst of trying <31....Qe3> but have switched to your <31. ..Qg3>. The preliminary results are in favor of <Qe3> at the moment. I suspect that centralizing the BQ is a good thing. More later. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <doesn't work because <Rh3> traps the BQ. It looks like <Nf2> is the only move that leads to a win.> haha!
Even a blunder is not so bad as long as there are still practical chances on the board! hehe
So we would be hoping for anything but Nf2 or a heart-attack from white... At least we aren't 'all-in' with a dead hand then! |
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: <hms123: <woody> I was in the midst of trying <31....Qe3> but have switched to your <31. ..Qg3>. The preliminary results are in favor of <Qe3> at the moment. I suspect that centralizing the BQ is a good thing. More later.> Good point <hms>, Qe3 does look like a better try...but there was an open file so my Queen just couldn't resist it. I don't want to argue with the Silicon Monster so don't waste any analysis on my inferior move...I'm just thinking on my feet here. |
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| Dec-16-08 | | hms123: <woody> Ok--I stopped, but here's what I have so far on <31...Qg3 32. Nf2>:
click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 10: 17 ply
1.  (1.86): 32...Rg8 33.e6 Rg7 34.Bd3 fxe6 35.Qf6+ Rf7 36.Qxh6+ Qg7 37.Qxg7+ Kxg7 38.Ne4 exd5 39.cxd5 Rf5 2. (2.80): 32...a5 33.Nd3 a4 34.Nxc5 a3 35.Nd7+ Kg7 36.Qg2 Qxg2 37.Bxg2 b3 38.c5 Rhd8 39.Rg1 a2+ 40.Ka1 3. (2.86): 32...Qf4 33.Bd3 Re8 34.e6 Qd4 35.Qxd4 cxd4 36.exf7 Kxf7 37.c5 a5 38.Ne4 Rd8 39.Rf1+ Ke7 4. (3.09): 32...Ra7 33.Nd3 Qf3 34.Rg1 Qd1+ 35.Qc1 Qb3+ 36.Nb2 Qf3 37.Nd3 Qe4 38.Qc2 Qxh4 39.Qg2 Qd4 5. (3.35): 32...Rh7 33.Nd3 Rg7
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| Dec-16-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: Wow, judging by those lines it's a good thing you stopped when you did... I'm not surprised Fritz was forcing the draw if it was looking into the crystal ball and seeing these sort of things. So much for intuition.
heh |
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