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| Sep-23-09 | | A Karpov Fan: I don't ever find the time to wallow in the deep waters of chess study <Jess>. I'm much closer to the gnat. Behold my gnat like appetites...
I worked on this puzzle yesterday, it took me quite some time but the answer is so simple once you see it. I felt I learned a broader strategic concept from it also, so like to share it with you.  click for larger viewWhite to move and mate in two.
(I apologize if this is too simple for you btw, I am just a humble gnat tho) P.S.
I am limbering up for my revenge in a few hours!
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Sep-23-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Anatoli>
That's not such an easy puzzle, due to the fact that a forced mate is not hard to find- but the eye wants the fingers to move a rook to the e7 square to deliver check. That leads to a forced mate from either Rook in all variations, and it's absolutely what I would play in an actual game. This mates, of course, but White must still play Ne6 after the Black King moves. It's faster to mate by not delivering check on the first move. The "in between move" Ne6 played first mates one move faster than if you deliver check on the first move. The fact that you need the Knight to be on the <e6> square in any case means that the all too tempting Rook check on <e7> is actually a wasted move. This means you have to also recognize that White has time for an in between move- a <ziefadhgushungt swiffer mop> is the correct term-- because Black has no defence. White has time here. I'm guessing that's the "trick" to the puzzle eh?
You know this website is full of puzzle solvers who will line up to tell you how easy this puzzle is. But you know what, puzzles are not games and they are not as important as games. I bet you almost every one of those people would actually deliver the Rook check first in an actual game. I can also tell you that there are many, many puzzle solvers here who don't even play games. Solving a puzzle is fun- and puzzle solving is still regarded as the best method of tactical training- apart from actually playing. But your ass is not on the line in a puzzle.
It takes guts to play a game- it doesn't take guts to solve a puzzle. That's because you can't "lose" a puzzle. You can only lose a game. And more- people are much more afraid to lose a long time control game. This is because you invest a lot more of your heart and mind and time into it. There is no "premade excuse" (ah, it's just a puzzle, ah it's just Blitz of course I didn't see it, etc. etc.) This is why I regard chess against another human at a long time control to be the ONLY form of "serious chess." What strategic principle are you referring to here? |
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| Sep-23-09 | | hms123: <jess>
<What strategic principle are you referring to here?>Interference. It helps to have seen this before--which is true of puzzles generally, but less so of real positions. In real positions, there can be subtle differences which may a given theme work or not. Therein lies the real challenge. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | hms123: <jess> BTW, any OTB player would go with <Ne6> and win quickly. |
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Sep-23-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Ah yes Knight on <e6> controls the <f8> square so the Black Rook cannot move there to try to defend the position. Interferes with the Rook's ability to defend (for one more move for cripe sake). BTW I usually insist that you gentlemen use the proper German terms for these concepts. The German word for interference is <Panzerkampfwagen Mark IV short barrel>, for example. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | hms123: <jess> Actually, I was thinking more of <Nf3> interfering with the rook at f2 and the bishop at g2.
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Sep-23-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Howard> Brilliant! That's actually the proper solution in fact, which I didn't even find. DOH
Brilliant---
What a great puzzle. |
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Sep-23-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Ok
<Re7+?> wins by force in four moves <Ne6> wins by force in three moves But <Nf3!!> wins by force in two moves. But the main purpose of the puzzle as a training device is not to help you "learn the fastest mating pattern"- it is to teach you about interference and how to recognize that resource when it's available. HA!
Brilliant puzzle. |
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| Sep-23-09 | | A Karpov Fan: I am delighted you found that puzzle so entertaining <Jess> :-) You found the move I dwelt on for a long time ( 1. Ne6 ) as well. Full agreement from me that playing live, this, or the immediate rook check would be my choice. As <the cat in the hat> rightly points out, interference was the theme I had in mind. If I find anymore nice ones like that I will send them over. regards
malcolm |
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| Sep-23-09 | | hms123: <A karpov fan> aka <malcolm> A friend of a friend is a friend--stop by my place any time--howard |
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| Sep-24-09 | | achieve: Wonderful <Lastkraftwagen Reparaturbau>-theme at work there with the Springer nach f-drei. Hervorragender illustrierung des <Einmischung>-prinzips. BTW - I think "Einmischung" *is* the correct chess term here in German; Ziemlich sicher. Pretty sure. Literally translated we'd get something like: intermingling |
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| Sep-24-09 | | Hugin: Hey Jessica! here is a diffrent Bobby Fischer...He even sings in the end hehe. Bobby Fischer talks about God, Religion and Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm4u... |
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| Sep-24-09 | | A Karpov Fan: Maybe it is just my ego talking, but I think I won the best game of the match <Jess> -lol- |
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| Sep-24-09 | | WBP: <Jess>
Headin' off to Skookum,
To do a little growlin,'
If I see a Lady Bigfoot,
You can bet I'll be a howlin'.
OK, so there's no chess element here, which shall surely not past muster with those Chessgames authorities who vigilantly scrutinize this page like cannibals hungrily eyeing a busload of fat American tourists. (Plus, I guess that's close to a sexually suggestive limerick, and you know what that meant for you and <Dom>. [You should hear the alternative version--even came with a scratch 'n sniff card.]) SO, for the Chessgames authorities looking in:
1. e4
There!!! There's your stinking chess!!!
(Sorry <Jess>, I've had WAY too much coffee.) |
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| Sep-25-09 | | Boomie: <Shoeless Jessie Jackson> Sir Nige pulled another little opening surprise and managed to win. The Effing Mingo played a Najdorf and Nige played 6. a4. Notice that most of the unusual opening moves he plays are perfectly logical. a4 mucks up black's queenside expansion. After hitting the outside corner with that curve ball, Effing Mungo played the Najdorf like 7...e5 instead of transposing to the more common Schwester Cough e6. Now mammy's little baby likes Shortnin' brought the wicked slider 8. Nxc6. The OE shows only 8 games before this one with this position. It also shows a ginormous winning percentage for white.
Opening Explorer So it seems the Effer has been conned into an inferior position. Of corpse, more work is needed to prove this refutation of e5. |
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| Sep-25-09 | | Open Defence: thats Sir Effing Mungo with 2 small ff's |
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| Sep-25-09 | | Boomie: <OD>
I sit corrected. Thanks for the bird's eye lowdown on that caper...wudever that means. What in all that is holy are you doing up at 3 AM anyhoo? |
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Sep-25-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Anatoli>
You know on a rare serious note yes - your rapid win was in fact a highlight- partly because the game actually ended with a won position instead of right in the middle because 30 minutes is a RIDICULOUS CLOWN TIME CONTROL. You know this Rapid business and then even worse the Blitz stuff in this Match- It's embarrassing.
I'm sorry but there it is. It's almost like they are performing clowns instead of the two greatest players (by far) of the last thirty years. They are very serious players.
Rapid is not serious chess.
Blitz is even less serious.
This is ridiculous and embarrassing and I wish they never did this. |
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Sep-25-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Hugin Bear>
Thanks! I heard that one before but I'm not sure if I linked it. I will check and put it in if not. And yes it's wonderful to hear Bobby when he's in a good mood. And in such a strange context.
He is disarming here partially because of his virtual total ignorance of everything in the world except chess. |
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Sep-25-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Niels> I like "intermingling" better than "interference"-- seems a "deeper" description of the actual tactic. |
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Sep-25-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Timson Weed>
You know the more I think about it the more difficult it is to think of an active player I like more than <GM Nigel Mammy's Little Baby Loves Shortnin' Shortnin'>. He's a true blue serious chess purist- always was, is now. |
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Sep-25-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Bill> you sound great to me. There is no such thing as "too much coffee."
Right now my eyes are as big as dinner plates and my whole body is shaking. Good times! |
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| Sep-26-09 | | Open Defence: <What in all that is holy are you doing up at 3 AM anyhoo?> playing bullet hehehehehehehe |
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Sep-26-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: Somebody's got in to the Black Najdorfs again |
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| Sep-26-09 | | Travis Bickle: Jess and Deffi my chess is suffering. I drew two won games. Im missing crucial moves that I usually dont miss. 1 game I had 2 R's a B and a N to his R!! The pawns were set up in a way where he found refuge behind my pawns after a few weak moves by me. Then I had to try and hunt him down with 12 seconds left, I offered him a draw so he accepted. My opponent was 250 points higher than me so it wasnt all bad. Today I had an equal strength player dead beat. We both were low on time but I missed just taking his N because I was locked into my plan and didnt adjust to his move. Then I missed a sure win when I could have exchanged N's and won on the spot with just my K but I didnt catch that until I was analyzing. I need to do tactical puzzles to sharpen my skills up. I guess drawing isnt as bad as losing. ; P |
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