ARCHIVED POSTS
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 648 OF 801 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
| Oct-17-09 | | Eyal: <Jess> Well, I went over the first game of the <Karpov-Spastic> match. Here are my impressions (supported by some Fritz analysis) of several critical moments: It seems that Karpov didn't play the opening so well. 15…Bc4! By Spassky is a good move, preparing d5 and directed against Nb5, which indeed seems to be a mistake by Karpov in the next move. After 16...Bxb5 17.axb5 a4 18.Nc1 d5, the b5 pawn is weak and the break in the center gives Black, as usual in this type of Sicilians, a good game. 20.c3 by Karpov seems relatively best in an already difficult situation, compared with options such as 20.Re2 a3! Or 20.Bxe4 dxe4 21.c3 Rxd2 22.Qxd2 Rd8 and 23...Nd3; but later 28.Qf3+ seems to be a rather bad mistake – why not Qh5+ instead? That way White would defend the b5 pawn. Once he loses it, and Black gets the pair of connected passers on the Q-side, the game might very well be lost for White in the long run. 34...Qc4 might have been stronger than Rf7 – with threats based on either Rf7 against the still-pinned white knight, or Rd1+ followed by Qc1; Spassky's move allows White to exchange queens, which might have given him better chances to blockade Black's pawns after, e.g., 35.Nxd5 Rxf2 36.Bb4 Ree2 37.Rg3. A few moves later, an immediate 38…Qe4! With threats of Rb7/Qb7 could have probably finished the game faster – Qc2 was just a waste of time, giving White an important tempo for organizing his pieces better. But even so Black's win seems to remain only "a matter of technique". About the point where Karpov resigns – yes, it's a bit early, White indeed could still play on for a while; but you have to remember it was the age of adjournments… With today's time controls, I'm sure no GM in a super-tournament would resign so soon. Btw, considering Kasparov's notorious claim that Spassky played better in this match than in 1972, in order to lend support to his other claim that Karpov could have beaten Fischer in 1975 – well, this is the only game in the match that Spassky won, and I'm not so extremely impressed with his play. I mean, he played well of course, took advantage of Karpov's mistakes and showed good technique overall, but it's very hard to make any comparisons to his play against Fischer because the level of resistance he met in this game was so much lower. Fischer in his peak would never ever play the opening in the White side of a Sicilian as poorly as Karpov did here. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Open Defence: < jessicafischerqueen: heh.... good one
Look <Doggimus> I've been trying to rent a small burro here for two days now and <Deffi's> STALLing (heh) because of some "legal rigamarole" about not being allowed to use them as surprise fake pinatas. Do you think I should call my lawyer?
The party is tomorrow night.> I'm as stubborn as a Mule |
|
Oct-18-09
 | | jessicafischerqueen: <Deffi> bad news <Tim> just told me Mules aren't allowed in India |
|
Oct-18-09
| | jessicafischerqueen: <KRABAB>
Thanks for the analysis-
QUESTION: Do you have access to any historical accounts about this match? It strikes me that it's a match of great historical interest for obvious reasons. Maybe we could collaborate on a games collection about this match. By "collaborate" I mean you do the work and I'll put my name on it. OK I'm going to examine your important analysis now. |
|
Oct-18-09
| | jessicafischerqueen: sigh
<KRABAB>
on a less frivolous note, I just saw that I'm still a thousand posts behind <acirce>, who is still on vacation thank GHOD so I can maybe catch up before he gets back. QUESTION: Do you think it's a good idea to type the word <QUACK> in my forum 1000 times today? Or possibly your forum- come to think that works better for me actually. Ok then it's settled?
That would put me over the top to numbr one loudmouth. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Open Defence: < jessicafischerqueen: <Deffi> bad news <Tim> just told me Mules aren't allowed in India> its ok I know people on the inside... |
|
Oct-18-09
| | jessicafischerqueen: Did you know the story of the guy who was going to freeze to death so he killed his mule and slept inside it? It's a real story.
*poor mules* |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: <Jess> Well, I don't have Kasparov's book but I know that he puts a great emphasis on this match in his coverage of Karpov's career (in OMGP 5), since he thinks it was a key event in his development as a player - he gives quite a lot of background and extensive analyses of several games. As for collecting - there isn't really so much to collect... 11 games, and they all appear in that <Match Spassky!> collection you've already linked to. Btw, speaking of collections, I think you can add Game Collection: Netanya-A 1968 to the list of Fischer's tournaments in your profile. <QUESTION: Do you think it's a good idea to type the word <QUACK> in my forum 1000 times today? Or possibly your forum- come to think that works better for me actually.> To quote Nigel Short: No.
(<hedgeh0g: Nigel - in hindsight, do you and Cheparinov look back on your memories at Corus and laugh?> <Nigel Short: No.>) |
|
Oct-18-09
| | jessicafischerqueen: heh- well yes OK thanks <KRABAB>! That <Netanya> collection is actually waiting on my TARDY historical facts write-up which I have to email to <suenteus po> for him to edit and add. I'm finding it tough sledding to find info on <NETANYA> though as there's not much- too bad no Russkies were there or they'd have good stuff on it in BOBBY V. THE COMMIES. I love <Short>. He is to the last commentator we had as Jupiter is to a Golf Ball. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: Btw, are you familiar with the famous Canadian poet James McIntyre? I gather he was known as <The Chaucer of Cheese> (http://www.swiftandbored.com/mcinty...) |
|
Oct-18-09
| | jessicafischerqueen: Yes I did in fact read the ODE TO A GIANT CHEESE at Uni. It's the only "joke" that Canadian Lit Professors know, in fact. What on earth made you dig up this gem?
Every Canadian student in English Lit knows about this excellent poem. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: Well, I was comtemplating G. K. Chesterton's essay on the subject... <My forthcoming work in five volumes, "The Neglect of Cheese in European Literature," is a work of such unprecedented and laborious detail that it is doubtful whether I shall live to finish it. Some overflowings from such a fountain of information may therefore be permitted to springle these pages. I cannot yet wholly explain the neglect to which I refer. Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese...> (http://www.cse.dmu.ac.uk/~mward/gkc...) |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | achieve: <Jess> Check out this game if you have the time... Mindboggling, and the evals swing from PLUS 5 for White, to Plus 6 for Black, and back again... Amazing game, that did make the headlines here: [Event "Unive Schaaktoernooi"]
[Site "Hoogeveen"]
[Date "2009.10.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Grooten, Herman"]
[Black "Nijboer, Friso"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. h3 e5
7. d5 a5 8. Bg5 Na6 9. Nd2 h6 10. Be3 Nh7 11. g4 Bd7
12. Be2 Nc5 13. h4 a4 14. Nf1 c6 15. Qd2 cxd5 16. cxd5 Qa5
17. Ng3 a3 18. b3 Rfc8 19. Rc1 Nf6 20. f3 Bxg4 21. b4 Qxb4
22. Rb1 Nd3+ 23. Bxd3 Qxc3 24. fxg4 Nxg4 25. Qxc3 Rxc3
26. Kd2 Rac8 27. Ne2 R3c7 28. h5 Nxe3 29. Kxe3 Bf6 30. Rb3
Bg5+ 31. Kf3 f5 32. hxg6 fxe4+ 33. Bxe4 Rf8+ 34. Kg2 Rc4
35. Bf3 e4 36. Bg4 e3 37. Be6+ Kg7 38. Bf7 Rc2 39. Kf3 Rxa2
40. Rf1 Ra8 41. Rxb7 h5 42. Be8+ Kg8 43. Bd7 Kg7 44. Bb5+
Kg8 45. Bc4 Rc2 46. Bd3 Rf8+ 47. Rf7 Rd2 48. Ke4 Re8+
49. Kd4 Bh6 50. Ng3 e2 51. Nxh5 exf1=Q 52. Rxf1 Rf8 53. Rh1
Rf3 54. Nf6+ Rxf6 55. Rxh6 Rf3 56. Ke4 Rdxd3 57. Rh8+ Kg7
58. Rh7+ Kxg6 59. Rh6+ Kg5 60. Rh5+ Kg4 61. Rh4+ Kg3
62. Rh3+ Kf2 63. Rh2+ Ke1 64. Re2+ Kd1 65. Re1+ Kc2
66. Rc1+ Kb3 67. Rb1+ Kc4 68. Rb4+ Kc3 69. Rc4+ Kb2
70. Rc2+ Kb3 71. Rb2+ axb2 1/2-1/2
IM vs GM from the Open section; the Crown Group will start today I believe... This game will bring a smile to your face- or make you curl your toes in frustration, but if you just replay it without engine, it is one crazy- and fun- ride!! |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Boomie: <Poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese> Fact is poets can't cut the cheese. But I won't raise a big stink about it. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Open Defence: < jessicafischerqueen: Happy DIWALI <Deffi>@@!!> Thanks and Happy Diwali to you too
<Do people named Wally get nervous on this holiday?>
>
No, but Polly definitely does not want a cracker at Diwali time http://images.google.co.in/images?r... |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | crawfb5: <Thorski: My 50mm 1.4 is far and away the fastest lens I own. It's also the cheapest. It's a tiny compared to e.g. my 70-200 2.8, mostly tack sharp (perhaps not wide open), and I love using it, as 50mm feels very natural.> Yes, 50mm has historically been a very popular prime because of speed, cost, and approximation of "normal" vision. <<craw> Do you have a favorite portrait lens?> I don't shoot much in the way of portraits, but I'd say the 200mm. It and the 300mm f/4 (pre-Image Stabilization version) are the two L-series Canon lenses I own. I've got a couple of Canon zooms (28-105mm and 100-300mm) that are not as good as the L-series, but better than kit zooms, and one third party wide angle zoom (19-35mm). I have yet to switch to a digital body, only having gone digital for our point-and-shoot so far. It's been a while since I've done any serious shooting and Doreen is bugging me to pick it back up. Some day, perhaps. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | madlydeeply: Hey Jess my heart skipped a beat when i saw the new Bobby Fischer photographs hanging out with the Marcos family! One more evil group of people HA! I have such a soft spot for that guy and Tal too don't ask me why! |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | A Karpov Fan: I tried making it as a photographer, but it didn't work out. Now I just take mugshots all day.
-click-
http://i817.photobucket.com/albums/... I coud'a bin sumbody... |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | hms123: <jess> I'm tired of waiting for <At swim two birds> so I ordered the complete novels of Flann O'Brien. That should give me something to do in my spare time. I almost bought Marcuse but I refused to spend $19 on a paperback that I once bought new for $1.25 so I am going to keep looking for my copy. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: <Jess> Well, in spite of not having K.'s book I used the "look inside" function of Amazon to peek in his analysis of game 1 from the 1974 match... here are some further interesting points that he mentions: An important nuance in the opening - the move 12.Bf3, played by Karpov, is deemed as inaccurate because it relinquishes control of c4 – so that after 12…Be6! 13.f5 Black has Bc4. Instead, the recommended move is 12.Kh1(!) which may lead to 12...Qc7 13.Rc1 Be6 14.Nd2 (again playing to control c4) exf4. Spassky actually had some bad experience with this line as Black: Geller vs Spassky, 1964, Kavalek vs Spassky, 1976. 28.Qf3+? instead of Qh5 is indeed judged to be the losing move. Perhaps, following 28…Kg8, Karpov was counting on 29.Qd5+, but realized that he's losing after 29...Qe6 30.Qxe6+ Rxe6 31.Bxb4 Rb6 and Rxb5, or 31.Nxb4 Rd8! In addition to the one I've mentioned, another quicker win missed by Spassky was 37...a3! (instead of b3) where White has to lose material – K. gives the nice line 38.Qxb4 Qxb4 39.Bxb4 a2 40.Bc3 Rc8 41.Be5 Rc5 42.Bb2 Rb5 43.Bd4 Rb4 44.Be5 Rfxf4. In this stage of the game, Karpov set Spassky several tactical traps which the latter was careful to avoid – most of them connected with the f4 and g7 squares. For example: 39...Rxf4? 40.Qb7! (attacking g7; 40.Rxf4? Qxc3) 40...Qg6 41.Rxf4; or a move later, 40...a3? 41.Qxa3 Rxf4 42.Qa7! (again) Re7 43.Qb8+ Re8 44.Qxf4; or a move later: 
click for larger viewHere Spassky sealed his 41st move, Qc2! Instead, a natural move like 41...Ref8 fails to 42.Rg3! getting out of the pin and achieving at least a draw: 41...Qxf4 43.Qxf4 Rxf4 44.Rxg7+ Kh8 45.Rf7+ Kg8 46.Rg7+ etc.; or 42...a3 43.Bxg7! Rxg7 44.Ne6! Rxg3 45.Qxf8+ Kh7 46.Qf7+ Kh8 and again draw by perpetual. Another natural move that fails is 41...Rc8? 42.Ne6! Rxf3 43.Qd7 Rf7 44.Qxc8+ Kh7 45.Bxg7 Rxg7 46.Nf8+ etc. And finally, 42...Qxb2? fails to 43.Ng6! |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: <[Event "Unive Schaaktoernooi"]
[Site "Hoogeveen"]
[Date "2009.10.18"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Grooten, Herman"]
[Black "Nijboer, Friso"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
click for larger view57. Rh8+ Kg7 58. Rh7+ Kxg6 59. Rh6+ Kg5 60. Rh5+ Kg4 61. Rh4+ Kg3 62. Rh3+ Kf2 63. Rh2+ Ke1 64. Re2+ Kd1 65. Re1+ Kc2 66. Rc1+ Kb3 67. Rb1+ Kc4 68. Rb4+ Kc3 69. Rc4+ Kb2 70. Rc2+ Kb3 71. Rb2+ axb2 1/2-1/2> That's one crazy rook. |
|
| Oct-18-09 | | Eyal: PS I've just noticed that someone pointed out on the <Karp-Spastic> game page how Black wins the endgame from the point where White resigned, after the queen exchange... first playing Rh4 and then marching the king via g8-f7 etc. to g5 and winning the h5 pawn, that White cannot defend a second time either with the g-pawn or with the king. If White then exchanges the knight for the rook, Black wins a trivial pawn endgame. In general, that's often the key to winning endgames with an exchange up and an equal number of pawns - giving back the exchange at the right moment for a pawn, in order to win the resulting pawn endgame. |
|
| Oct-19-09 | | A Karpov Fan: Karpov did not play well in that game with Spassky, but his future results against him give a much clearer indication of their relative strengths. 16 to 3 with 25 draws in CG :-) |
|
| Oct-19-09 | | benjinathan: As an aside: I have OMGP v if you want any info. |
|
| Oct-19-09 | | benjinathan: Spragget's blog has some pictures of Fischer playing Keres. I am not sure if you have seen them. http://www.kevinspraggett.com/ |
|
 |
|
ARCHIVED POSTS
< Earlier Kibitzing · PAGE 648 OF 801 ·
Later Kibitzing> |
Kibitzing
