But since you asked: the two plans I like with White are Bb5xc6 or the Stonewall. So to me it makes sense to thwart both. Viz. Bobby here: 1.f4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6! 3.d3 d5!.

Larsen vs Fischer, 1962

The third plan I know is the Leningrad Dutch, but...probably the worst beating my old friend David ever gave me came when I tried that. I’m sure there’s nothing wrong with it, but it pretty consistently doesn’t work for me.

[Event "Challenge from keypusher"]
[Site "http://gameknot.com/chess.pl?bd=273..."] [Date "2018.06.27"] [Round "-"]
[White "keypusher"]
[Black "greenwich"]
[Result "0-1"]
[WhiteElo "2020"]
[BlackElo "1534"]
[TimeControl "1/1209600"]
[Mode "ICS"]
[Termination "normal"]

I've become a fan of the Classical (Be7, delay of the d-pawn push) with an early Ne4 leap, as in this game. H Ree vs Bronstein, 1977 I believe its called the Alekhine Dutch.

Since many players eschew pushing the c-pawn early and allowing the pin or check with the K-bishop, the above system doesn't even bother with it. Also, I only play the Stonewall when my opponent commits to attacking my N with two pieces, or somehow threatens pushing his K-pawn two squares before my N can occupy e4 (which I don't think ever happens). Doing it this way prevents a loss of time for Black, and White has organized his forces less effectively to exploit the hole on e5 (having at least two pieces focused on e4)

However here Bronstein gives an example of how to harry his opponent with the set-up you (and I as well) don't like to face (specifically, d4/d5 with Nf3/Nf6 and g3/g6, the Catalan/Grunfeld)

E Zagorjansky vs Bronstein, 1947

The Alekhine Dutch H Ree vs Bronstein, 1977

2)i learned a lot from the conversations in <rogoff> forum and i am thankful to <chessgames.com> for that.

3)my two most favorite posters on rogoff are <johnlspouge> (a left winger) and <keypusher> (a right winger , on some issues , he is on right of even trump). These two people had the level to be very , very dispassionate in the conversations and provide very in depth analysis of issues based on concrete empirical evidence and numbers. Highest level of depth/clarity of thinking coupled with dispassion.

I learned a lot from them and once again i express my thanks to chessgames.com

4)<keypusher> was always very vocal about bad signal/noise ratio in rogoff forum. He often ecpressed frustration over what he called 'shout show ' and 'monkey throwing faeces ' show.

Nonetheless , we somehow managed .

5)however , now the signal/noise ratio is so bad , 'the usual suspects ' have crossed all the lines in their 'monkey throwing faeces show ' and 'shout show ' , that i don't see any conversations from the sanest voices of rogoff forum any more - i don't think there is any room for them to have conversations in rogoff forum any more ,it has become a nuthouse.

6)<tiggler> likes conversations in stumper forum (<tiggler> is professor of electronics engineering in some american university . Daniel freeman was also a regular in stumper forum as <sneaky> ). Stumper forum has a very good signal/noise ratio because of the nature of conversations in that forum . When <johnbarleycorn> posted there by making a sock puppet account (because he was suspended) , <tiggler> was very unhappy . He was like "now that <johnbarleycorn> is back flame wars will be back again ".

There are people who want high quality , dispassionate comversations without any 'shout show ' and 'monkey throwing faeces ' show.

7)if things improve , perhaps , i would be back again. Meanwhile , once again , heartfelt thanks to <chessgames.com>

Hear, hear !

What is wrong with you <saffuna> ? Don't you see the point of <keypusher> ?

<Keypusher> in effect saying that <big pawn> and his buddies are idiots , trolls and worse but much more is expected of you <saffuna>

Nuanced , deep conversations are expected of you <saffuna> instead of stupid "liberal bad , righties good " or vice vrrsa. Even an idiot like <tpstar> could rise above his usual pettiness and stupidity and surprised <al wazir>

2)nuanced , deep conversations like :

<keypusher> <at some point over the past three-four weeks it appears that there was, somehow, and unbeknownst to anyone, a giant referendum on every political and social question on the agenda. And the far left won overwhelmingly on every single question. I expected the right to lose in November, but I didn't expect it to get crushed in June.

That's what I care about.>

That's what I care about.> >

Point of <keypusher> is that insane idiots like <big pawn> (trump being one of those insane idiots) has taken over republican party and conservative politics with disastrous consequences for sane conservatives and country because as a reaction to insanity and stupidity of people like <trump > and <big pawn> , far left is going to take over country for next few years unless some miracle happens.

Any input , <keypusher> ?

1. d4 g6 2. e4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c6 4. Nf3 d6 5. Bg5 Nf6 6. e5? dxe5 7. dxe5 Qxd1+ 8. Rxd1 Nfd7 9. Bf4 g5? 10. Bxg5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5 Bxe5 12. f4 Bc7 13. Ne2? Na6 14. c3? Nc5 15. Bh6? Rg8 16. g3 f6? (16....Bf5) 17. b4 Na4 18. f5 Bxf5 19. Nd4? Be4 20. Ne6 Bb6 21. Bc4 Bxh1 22. Be2 Be4 23. c4 Nc3 24. Bh5+ Bg6 25. Bxg6+ Rxg6 0-1

9. Bf4? (9.e6 fe 10.Be3) g5? (9....Nc5 10.Bg3? Bg4 ∓)

10. Bxg5 Nxe5 11. Nxe5? (11.Nd4) Bxe5 12. f4?? Bc7 13. Ne2?? Na6 14. c3? Nc5 15. Bh6? Rg8 -+ 16. g3 f6? (16....Bf5) 17. b4 Na4 18. f5 Bxf5 19. Nd4? Be4 20. Ne6? Bb6 21. Bc4 Bxh1 22. Be2 Be4 23. c4 Nc3 24. Bh5+ Bg6 25. Bxg6+ Rxg6 0-1

We need voices of dispassion/maturity/reason in the cacophony of that loony bin.

<Wtpy> - i have a question for you ...kind of in the domain of cognitive therapy , your field

1)how do we know that <johnlspouge > and <keypusher> are not idiots but i am idiot . Answer : anyone who spends 'inordinate ' amount of time in the cacophonous loony bin called rogoffland is an idiot , generally speaking ...<shout show> and <'monkey throwing faeces ' show >

2) how do we know that <johnlspouge> and <keypusher> are sane and i am loony ? same answer.

3) let us see if i can become smart and sane like <jls> and <kp>

..and let us see if you become idiot and insane like me by talking to far right racist idiots or you retain your sanity , <wtpy>

<Keypusher> has repeatedly said <you are trying to have a rational conversation with a troll/idiot. Let me know how it goes >

Now , that is very , very smart and i think that finally i am ready to apply this in life : to size up situations and people very , very quickly and take that into account when we choose to respond ....usually , people keep talking with a lot of energy/passion and in their mind they talking very smart - without talking into account level/state of receiver....if we talk post graduation level stuff to a fifth grader and everytime end up frustrated and as a result becoming ever more impatient and aggressive every time...if so , we need to increase our level of maturity....not everyone is ready for that level of maturity ...hopefully , i am ...

<Saffuna> is beyond help , however, i hope i would keep increasing my maturity level all my life to reach level of <nisargadatta> and beyond

2) it is time i start acting my age and talk only to mature people like <johnlspouge> and <keypusher>