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Pierre Charles Fournier de Saint Amant vs Howard Staunton
Staunton - Saint Amant (1843), Paris FRA, rd 9, Nov-28
Tarrasch Defense: Symmetrical Variation (D32)  ·  1-0
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Feb-01-05
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  offramp: 32.b5 is a bit of a wacky one, as is the reply Qh5. Why not take the queen with Rxd4 and then play g5?
Feb-08-05  Catfriend: 32..♖:♕d4 33.e:♖d4 g5 34.f:g6 e.p.
It mayb become rather dangerous for the black sovereign.
Jun-30-05  paul dorion: 32...Rxd4 33 exd4 Qxc1 (pins Rd1 so Re8+ does not work) 34 Rxc1 Rxc1+ 35 Kg2 Kf8 36 Kxh3 and can White do something with his extra pawn?
Jun-30-05  paul dorion: 32 ... Rxd4 33 exd4 g5 34 fxg6ep Qxc1 and black will have a piece for three pawns Who is better?
Jan-21-07  wolfmaster: Poor opening play by both White and Black: both Saint Amant and Staunton move their bishops twice in the first 10 moves.
Jan-21-07  wolfmaster: paul dorion, I think that three pawns is almost always better than a knight and three pawns is about 40% of the time better than a bishop
Feb-26-07  HOTDOG: this was the 9th game of the match,with Staunton ahead +7 =1 -0. Black has a won position at move 31,due first of all to the horrible 20.f4? that weakens e3,e4 and the castling. 32.b5!? is a desperate move,now after 32...Rxd4 33.exd4 Qd6 34.Re8+ Rxe8 35.Rxe8+ Qf8 36.Rxf8+ Kxf8 37.Kg2 and the Nh3 is lost. After 32...Bd1!! 33.Rxd1 Rxd4 34.exd4 Qh5 35.Be3 Qf3+ 36.Ke1 Re8 37.Kd2 Nf2 Black wins,according to Bernstein. however after 32...Qh5? 33.g4! Black has still an advantage after 33...Qh4 34.Qxa4 Rxd3. The decisive mistake was 33...Rxd4??
Apr-10-08  Knight13: Black messed up after 27...Ng5, n'est ce pas? Not the correct follow-up.

<The decisive mistake was 33...Rxd4??> He must've missed the back-rank stuff. But even seeing that it's a material throw-away-for-suicide.

<Black has a won position at move 31> I don't know I like White at that point. But that's because I would never take that a-bishop of Black's. :-D

Feb-05-12  Knight13: Why 25... Ng5? 25... Bb8 is better.
Aug-22-12  Polerio: 32.b5 is a blunder. Staunton thought for 7 minutes here before playing the losing 32...Qh5. He had to find the thunderbolt 32...Bd1!! and White must resign!
Aug-22-12  thomastonk: <Polerio> May I ask where do got your information on the reflection time? Thank you in advance.

BTW, I don't think that 32.b5 is a blunder, not even a mistake, because White is completely lost anyway. I would rather call 32.. Qh5 a blunder and surely 33.. Rxd4, because here the mistakes are really obvious.

And then I think your thunderbolt (or is it Bernstein's? - see <HOTDOG>'s kibitzing) is a non-starter: 32.. Bd1? 33.Rxd1 and Black has only a slight advantage after 33.. Qh5. However, 33.. Rxd4 34. exd4 g5! is winning, say 35.fxg6 Qh5!

Aug-23-12  Polerio: My information comes from an old book:"World,s Best Chess" by Jens Enevoldsen, Copenhagen 1966. The game lasted 8 hours, St.Amant using 6 of them and Staunton 2. By the way, on 33.Rxd1 Black can safely play 33...Rxd4.
Aug-23-12  thomastonk: <Polerio> Thank you very much for the reference! Does Enevoldsen gives a 19th century source?

<By the way, on 33.Rxd1 Black can safely play 33...Rxd4.> Sorry, my variation was incomplete: 32.. Bd1? 33.Rxd1 Rxd4 34. exd4 Qh5 and Black is only slightly better. I had checked this with a silicon friend yesterday.

Jul-12-15  mikposeidon: Bernstein variation is wrong, because white plays 35.Kg2 Ng5 36.Bxg5 and now has 2 rooks and B vs Q and R. So, it is not clear how to win for black here.

The most simply way to win is 32...Rxd4! 33.ed g5 36.fg Qh5 and that's all for white ghost attack.

In book about Staunton, R. Keene noted, that Staunton was "thrown off balance by ...b5", and "afterwords Staunton, who was then leading 7-0 with one draw, remarked that had he won this game, as he should have done, Saint-Amant in all probability would have resigned the match"!

By the way, opening was quite good for Amant for surprise. He was better until his 20th move f2-f4.

Oct-28-16  clement41: I'm surprised such a great swindle as b5!! has got so few kibitzing
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