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|Nov-26-12|| ||Dionysius1: Who would have won a match between Staunton and Morphy? I can feel a bit of research coming on - something to keep my interest in chess active in 2013!
What's sparked my attention is Ray Keene's article in today's (London) Times where he annotates a consultation game between Staunton and Owen (W) and Barnes and Morphy. He says it "indicates Morphy would have been the victor in such a contest".
It would be good to get the game up on the chessgames site - anyone know how to do that?|
|Nov-26-12|| ||thomastonk: <Dionysius1> What about the Philidor's Defence here: Staunton / Owen ?|
|Jan-04-13|| ||IndigoViolet: All three volumes of Staunton's editions of Shakespeare are now online, courtesy of Google Books.|
Cambridge University Press reprinted <The Staunton Shakespeare 3 Volume Set> in 2009.
<First published between 1858 and 1860, this three-volume annotated edition of Shakespeare's works by Howard Staunton is based on the folio and quarto editions collated with the texts of later editors from Rowe to Dyce. Staunton, a chess genius as well as a highly regarded Shakespeare scholar, was known for his minimal yet sensible textual improvements and his familiarity with Elizabethan literature and language. His edition combines common sense with meticulous research, and it was regarded as a definitive resource in its day. Each play is accompanied by an introduction giving details of its original production and publication and the sources of its plot, critical commentary, and footnotes explaining terms and expressions. The books are generously illustrated with black-and-white illustrations by the prolific artist John Gilbert.>
Staunton's first-volume preface reveals that he played a small role in the dramatic uncovering of the diabolical forgeries of John Payne Collier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P...
|Jan-04-13|| ||northernfox: <IndigoViolet> Thanks for this information. I was previously unaware of Staunton's scholarly work on Shakespeare.|
|Feb-12-13|| ||Nightsurfer: <Howard Staunton> - the only Englishman who has become (unofficial) World Champion of Chess between 1843 and 1851 - has got a colleague nowadays ... and that is Francis Bowers who is actually the 7 times (!!) World Champion of <Circular> Chess.|
|Feb-12-13|| ||Marmot PFL: Staunton was the best player in the 1840s. By the time Morphy came to Europe (about 1860), Staunton was over 50, and still strong but about 10-15 years past his peak. Anderssen was the best in Europe at that time and since Morphy beat him fairly easily there is no doubt who was the world's best at that time. |
A great match would be Morphy vs Steinitz in the 1860s but unfortunately for chess Morphy was no longer competing.
|Feb-13-13|| ||mrbasso: Staunton was just a Patzer. Anderssen a
a strong chess player with bad openings. Due to his bad opening treatment he had no chance against Morphy. Of course Morphy would have crushed Staunton.
|Feb-13-13|| ||Poulsen: Actually Staunton was a very strong player at his best - maybe the strongest in world (but not uncontested). |
Morphy would have had a hard time beating him, when he was at his best (roughly 15 years before Morphy came to Europe).
Morphy was arguable the best in world at his time, but none the less he is the most overrated player of all time.
|Mar-16-13|| ||perfidious: <mrbasso: Staunton was just a Patzer....>|
Not a mere patzer, but a Patzer-guess that represents a step up, or some such rot.
Your disrespect for greats both past and present is beyond the pale. Give lessons, do you?
|Mar-16-13|| ||ray keene: interestingly at the official opening of the world championship candidates tournament in london on thursday march 14 , the president of fide in a carefully scripted speech referred to staunton as "a world champion." as john saunders has pointed out, when the fide president speaks ex-cathedra he is the infallible Pope of chess. Many years ago I compared ( in an article for the Spectator I recall) the fide president to a mediaeval Pope and the world champion to the Holy Roman emperor. A good parallel wd be Pope Gregory VII and the Holy Roman emperor Henry IV.|
|Mar-16-13|| ||ray keene: during the 1840's staunton crushed st amant, horwitz and harrwitz in matches which foreshadowed in length and format the world title contests of the 1950's - 2000 or so.staunton was evidently the dominating force in the chess world at that time and until 1851 by which time anderssen had clearly overtaken him. still, staunton cd certainly be considered the champion from 1843 to 1851, which puts him on a par with capablanca, petrosian and kramnik in terms of tenure at the top!|
|Apr-14-13|| ||IndigoViolet: <How the [Staunton] Chess Set Got Its Look and Feel>|
|Apr-17-13|| ||Dragi: With all respect to great master Staunton , he knew verywell why he avoided Morphy ...Just like Anderssen at his prime , he would be overrun by divine Paulie like some of the patzers from the local pub ...|
|Apr-20-13|| ||Conrad93: Staunton, like Fischer, was a great chess player, but a terrible man.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||talisman: when it came to Morphy, he sure knew how to duck.|
|Apr-20-13|| ||Conrad93: He was busy at the time. Staunton considered everyone else inferior. That would include Morphy, so he probably assumed that it would be a waste of time to crush a weakling.|
|Apr-21-13|| ||Conrad93: Also, Staunton was busy with a Shakespearean project at the time. He could not be bothered with a match.|
|Apr-21-13|| ||Shams: <talisman> Howard the duck?|
|May-18-13|| ||Caissanist: G.H. Diggle, in his fine account of Staunton's 1843 match with St. Amant, attributes Staunton's spotty later results to a near-fatal bout of pneumonia in October 1844, which left him with a heart condition that seems to have worsened over the years. By 1853 he was begging off even casual games with his friend Von der Lasa, because of worry about heart problems. Diggle also believes his irascible behavior in his later years was in part due to health issues.|
|Oct-01-13|| ||offramp: His frequent opponent John Cochrane has 766 games in the database to Staunton's 326.|
|Dec-07-13|| ||scheidt: The English Opening could be called the Staunton Opening as easily as the Petrov, Pirc and the Reti is called after those masters.|
|Dec-14-13|| ||Penguincw: ♔ Quote of the Day ♔
< "The habit of holding a Man in the hand, and moving it first to one square and then to another, in order to engage the assistance of the eye in deciding where it shall actually be placed, is not only annoying to the adversary but a practical infraction of the touch-and-move principle." >
They talked pretty differently back then.
|Jan-02-14|| ||thomastonk: <The study of openings is serviceable in forming a good player, but practice is indispensable - in other words, rules are of less value than experiments.> -- Howard Staunton, 1862.|
|Jan-16-14|| ||Penguincw: ♔ Quote of the Day ♔
< "To play with correctness and skill the ends of games, is an important but a rare accomplishment, except among the magnates of the game." >
|Mar-09-14|| ||FSR: Jon Crumiller, a major chess collector (and Kasparov's partner in N Short / R Vujatovic vs Kasparov / Crumiller, 2010), posted these three comments on Facebook:|
<<<For any Staunton fans, here's something you might enjoy. In my research-obsessive way, I acquired all 1442 weekly editions of the Illustrated London News, 1845-1874, with Staunton's columns. Then I photographed/extracted them, keyworded them, and posted everything online for free access. All you need do is download an Excel spreadsheet that has URLs to every column. There is also a keyword column for filtering, so that you can quickly home in on any relevant topic. The spreadsheet is downloadable from here: https://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=ht...>
One very interesting tidbit from Staunton's ILN columns. It's generally assumed that Staunton's first mention of Morphy is in his 1857-Oct-24 column, which mentions Morphy by name, but if you use the keyword column to filter for Morphy, you'll find a *much earlier* column from 1856-Nov-01 that clearly refers to Morphy, in his response to correspondent EBC. Give it a try, for filtering practice.>
I neglected to mention that he also replies to Charles Maurian in New Orleans, regarding Morphy, in that same early column. To filter, just go to the Keyword column (column B) and click on the little down-arrow, then "Text Filters...", "Contains", and then one or more keywords such as "Morphy".>
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