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|Aug-17-17|| ||KnightVBishop: >Boomie
I understand Boomie, I am just interested though about the supposed african ancestry theory of Morphy, I have heard it mentioned before in the past, but I never took it completely serious
Hopefully other people comment their opinions on it?
|Aug-17-17|| ||perfidious: I, for one, could not care less about Morphy's race, but only about his chess and personality; and there are plenty of positive things to be said of both, by all accounts.|
|Aug-17-17|| ||KnightVBishop: I mean it is kind of somewhat important though what the truth of his race is|
|Oct-09-17|| ||ketchuplover: Mr.Morphy would only lift his eyes from the game when victory was imminent. He would stare curiously at his opponent. His opponent would sense this and humbly raise his gaze to meet Paul's. In that moment he knew resistance was futile.|
|Nov-15-17|| ||DarthStapler: I was bored so I wrote this for fun. I might as well post it here:|
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF CHESS HISTORY!
MORPHY: I'm the genesis of modern chess, I brought forth a meta-Morphy-sis, it took me less than two years to prove I was the world's best!
Everything you ever did, I did it first and did it faster! You made GM at 15 but I'm the OG-Master!
You came on the scene as a teen but took over 10 years to win the title, claimed the Russians were arranging their games like some recital! My ascent to the top went off without a hitch, but then again my cheering section wasn't chanting "Go Fish!"
FISCHER: You must be kidding me, old man, you think you have a better resume? All the patzers that you beat barely knew how to play! Steinitz would have whooped your ass, because he could play positionally, you're all flash and no substance, and you were never champ officially!
Forget undermining pawn chains, I broke through the Iron Curtain, and played the Game of the Century when I was only thirteen! You should have stuck to law school, you woodpushing fool, instead of thinking it would be cool to try and challenge my rule!
MORPHY: I left chess to be a lawyer, yes you did get that right - what did you do after you quit, other than become a raging anti-Semite? You're half-Jewish yourself, have you never seen your family tree? But you'll never be half as great a chess player as me!
Game of the Century? Sure, I'll give you that one - because in the century before I was second to none! The fat lady already sang when I played my Opera Game, compared to that your so-called 'brilliances' are the epitome of lame! You ducked a match with Karpov like declining the King's Gambit (which still hasn't been busted despite your best efforts to do it!) My reputation never suffered any serious besmirching, but what happened to your sanity? I hear that they're still searching!
FISCHER: You want to talk about dignity in later life, bub? That's funny coming from a guy who died in his bathtub! My name's a household word, who's even heard of you except for a few chess nerds? You think your little Opera Game was brilliant? How absurd! I've seen better combinations by the likes of Henry Bird!
Like you did to your paul Maurian, I'd beat you with knight odds, but that would hardly even be a feat worthy of applause! I'm the best player the US, no, the world has ever seen! Compared to me you're nothing but an antique has-been!
EPIC RAP BATTLES OF CHESS HISTORY!
|Nov-29-17|| ||Moszkowski012273: I think I know who you are <Darth>....|
|Nov-29-17|| ||James Demery: Darth: I like it! I like them both. I cant decide.|
|Dec-23-17|| ||whiteshark: Quote of the Day
<"Perhaps the most accurate player who ever lived, he would beat anybody today in a set-match.">
-- Fischer (on Morphy)
|Dec-23-17|| ||Edwin Meijer: <DarthStapler>|
That is a great rap man!
|Jan-25-18|| ||Joshka: Think we'll ever see a movie on Paul Morphy? He had a very short professional chess career which is perfect for the silver screen considering they only like to take the top 3-4 years of a players great years. Southern gentleman, during the Civil War, conquered Europe returned home a hero, then just quit. Maybe in the vein of "A Beautiful Mind"|
|Jan-25-18|| ||HeMateMe: how about if Sheldon from "The Big Bang Theory" plays Morphy?|
|Mar-16-18|| ||JPi: Paul Morphy is knew to have been against slavery but living in a rich family of New-Orleans, I'm afraid Morphy family have slaves domestics at home. Do someone knows about this matter?|
|Mar-23-18|| ||zanzibar: Morphy - Cowboy Bebop style:
|May-31-18|| ||GrahamClayton: I was having a look at Morphy's games through the Repertoire Explorer tool, and noticed that all of the 178 games where Morphy had the White pieces, he started the game with 1. e4.|
Are there any players who have more games in the database for White where all games are started with the same move.?
|May-31-18|| ||JimNorCal: Thanks for the Cowboy Bebop link, zanzibar!|
|Jun-22-18|| ||benjaminpugh: Happy birthday!|
|Aug-09-18|| ||thegoodanarchist: <Edwin Meijer: <DarthStapler>|
That is a great rap man!>
<WHO WON?> I think Fischer won, but it was close.
YOU DECIDE!> Tal v. Fischer, please!
|Aug-09-18|| ||morfishine: <ughaibu: Morfishine: More to the point, has my offer made it clear that Steinitz wouldn't be expected to take odds from Morphy and any refusal to do so cannot be assumed to indicate fear. After all, if he was willing to play without getting odds, why on earth would he be scared to play with odds?|
Is there any recorded incident that suggests that Steinitz was ever scared of any chess opponent?> Of course, Steinitz would never haven taken odds from Morphy. He was too brilliant for that! And he never feared anybody, thats why he played so long! Steinitz was unbeaten in match play for 32 years: 1862-1894
|Aug-09-18|| ||keypusher: < JPi: Paul Morphy is knew to have been against slavery but living in a rich family of New-Orleans, I'm afraid Morphy family have slaves domestics at home. Do someone knows about this matter?>|
Knew by whom? And why are you afraid?
|Aug-09-18|| ||ughaibu: Morfishine: sure.|
|Aug-10-18|| ||Atking: <JPi> is French and on Wikipedia (French page) it is written about Paul Morphy that he was anti-slavery. Wikipedia is certainly not an absolute reference but still consistent. For the second point, you must wait for his answer yet I understand the contraction between "having slaves as servants" and being against this practice.|
|Aug-10-18|| ||Boomie: <Atking: <JPi> is French and on Wikipedia (French page) it is written about Paul Morphy that he was anti-slavery.>|
Everything which has been confirmed about Morphy can be found here: http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/inde...
As I recall, Morphy was against secession. But I haven't seen anything concerning his views on slavery.
New Orleans was unique in its acceptance of different races and languages. There were French, Spanish, Portugese, English, Acadians (Cajuns), Creoles, vaious Native Americans and whoever else moved there. Morphy's mother was French Creole and his father was Spanish, Portugese, and Irish. New Orleans had a complex relationship to race and ancestry.
|Aug-11-18|| ||Atking: Wonderful site! Thanks <Boomie>|
|Aug-14-18|| ||keypusher: <boomie>
You and I had a conversation about Morphy's supposed challenge to the world at pawn-and-move (I copied my last post below) but it looks like I was unaware of an important source:
<Edge, in his long dispatch of January 5 1859, to the New York Herald, was the first to announce that "Paul Morphy had declared that he will play no more matches with anyone unless accepting Pawn and Move from him." And perhaps he was not too presumptuous.>
Edge isn't necessarily a sold gold source either, but he's more reliable than Charles Buck writing more than 40 years after the fact.
<keypusher: < Boomie: <keypusher: Thanks for posting that, Boomie. Is my memory wrong? Did Morphy not formally offer a match to anyone in the world at those odds?> I think the article at SBC's answers your question. Or is there something missing there? Notice that Morphy tried to arrange a pawn and move match with Harrwitz but was turned down. St. Amant said that he believed Morphy could win such a match against anyone. However no leading player accepted the challenge.>
As I read those excerpts I tried to distinguish between statements made by Morphy (or clearly made on his behalf) and those made by others. He definitely challenged Harrwitz to such a match (and tried to arrange it), and offered Staunton a pawn-and-move match. Other people say that Morphy could play such a match against anyone, but don't indicate that he made such a challenge to the world at large.
My recollection had been that Morphy formally offered such a match to anyone. I went back to SBC's site and found the following:
<according to Charles Buck's Paul Morphy: His Later Life (1902, Newport, Kentucky)
shortly after reaching New Orleans Morphy issued a final challenge offering to give odds of Pawn and move to any player in the world, and receiving no response thereto, he declared his career as a chess-player finally and definitely closed, a declaration to which he held with unbroken resolution during the whole remainder of his life.>
No doubt that's what I was remembering. But as SBC notes, Buck isn't very reliable.
Thinking about this some more, it would have been difficult to make such a challenge to "the world at large," because there were very few people (namely, the leading European masters) to whom Morphy would give <only> pawn and move! SBC reports that Morphy decided in 1859 that he would play only at knight odds (or greater) against American opponents, for example.
So, while Morphy may have decided that he would not play a formal match at less than pawn-and-move, I don't see evidence that he made an actual challenge to that effect.
Following up my earlier statement about Kolisch, it appears that Kolisch tried to challenge him while he was in Paris in 1863, but Morphy replied as follows:
<I could have believed at the time when hearing of your successes that you are superior to other players I had encountered in Europe, but since, as you are well aware, the result of your matches with Messrs. Anderssen and Paulsen had not been favorable to you, there is now no reason why I should make an exception in your case, having decided not again to engage in such matches, an infringement of my rules which I should be obliged to extend to others...>
Nothing about pawn-and-move; instead Morphy says he does not play matches any more.>
|Sep-10-18|| ||MissScarlett: Falkirk Herald, July 13th 1910, p.7:
<Mr Keeble also writes in "Norwich Mercury":— "Morphy’s name is nowadays often before the public, and the best masters, apparently, now agree that his play was quite sound, and that he would be still able to hold his own at the present time. Thirty or more years ago we remember the opposite was the case in this country. It was then thought that Morphy would have stood no chance against Steinitz and others. This criticism was met in a most amusing way by American writers in 'The Dubuque Chess Journal’ of 1875. Here is the quotation alluded to:-
The chess wiseacres of Europe, that can so readily show how Morphy could have been defeated, point out his errors, and prove by analysis that he would stand no chance with the champions of the day, owing to tho advance that chess science has made, put us in mind of the man who, when pistols were first introduced, bought one to destroy his enemy. ‘Hold,’ said one, ‘Where goest thou so eagerly?’ ‘To slay mine enemy, see my pistol, the new invention, with this I’ll blow his brains to everlasting scatteration.’ ‘But if,' said his friend, ‘but if he should have a pistol, too?' ‘ Oh, oh,’ said our hero, ‘I never thought of that! I’d best go home, for he miqht shoot also,’ and he cooled down and hid his weapon.”>
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