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Jul-04-07
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| refutor: <shortsight> i think simply 6. ...Bxd4 as if 7.Qxd4 Nc2+ wins the queen |
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| Aug-01-07 |
| xKinGKooLx: If White wins 25% more games than Black when he plays this opening, then surely it must be a bit risky for Black to play? |
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Aug-01-07
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| ganstaman: <xKinGKooLx: If White wins 25% more games than Black when he plays this opening, then surely it must be a bit risky for Black to play?> Maybe, but the stats are certainly skewed. Morphy and Anderssen didn't exactly face the greatest of opposition, and they played the black side of this a combined 47 times, while they played the white side 109 times. Also, La Bourdonnais and MacDonnell seemed to have played each other a lot with this, and I'm sure that skews them in some way as well. If you look at the stats in this database for the year 2000 to the present, you get +23 =17 -26, so actually slightly better for black (or probably a statistically insignificant difference). It seems that black therefore equalizes when using the Evans Gambit. |
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| Sep-07-07 |
| Darth Lasker: Well, again. About Evans you should anwer these points: A) 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 and now 3. - Bc5 probably isn't the best move. 3. - Nf6 promises more (e.g. 4.Ng5 Bc5! - Traxler counterattack - or 4.d4 ed 5.0-0 Bc5 6.e5 d5!) B) Evans Declined (4.b4 Bb6) is considered good for white and white can play similar line without offering a pawn: 4.c3 Nf6 5.b4 , so why Evans? C) 4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Be7 6.d4 Na5 7.Nxe5 Nxc4 8.Nxc4 d5 =. No more of it: black has safely equalized. Side lines (7.Bxf7+, 7.Be2) are good in blitz games or rapid chess, but they are unsound or equal at best (well, Anand was shocked and played horribly: Kasparov vs Anand, 1995). D) Black can capture and hold a pawn if he really wants to (4.b4 Bxb4 5.c3 Ba5). White gets huge attack, but if he doesn't play accurately, black can survive and win. My conclusions: If white is trying to play old Evans, black is the side who chooses: 1) Switch into Two Knights and play aggressively
2) Equalize safely
3) Accept gambit and just hope for defence.
So why should white give to black this choice? This is one of the reasons why GM play rather Ruy Lopez. |
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| Nov-10-07 |
| Chigorin: <Darth Lasker> While I'm not sure I disagree with your basic conclusion (Evan's Gambit isn't a great choice for a strong player) I must strongly disagree with some of your other points. A.) 1.e4 e5 2. f3 c6 3. c4 f6!? 4. g5! c5?! 5. xf7+ e7 6. b3 is hardly a reason for White to give up on Evan's Gambit (or any other 3. c4 line for that matter)! The Two Knights in general is reasonably promising for White IMO, though of course VERY complex. If everyone would play 3... f6 against me I would take up 3. c4 ! B.) Evan's Gambit Declined (1.e4 e5 2. f3 c6 3. c4 c5 4.b4!? b6 5.a4 a6 (5...a5 6.b5 d4 7. xd4 xd4 8.c3 ) 6.a5 a7 7.c3 f6 8.d3 ) is a different (and better!) line than the quiet Italian with b2-b4: 1.e4 e5 2. f3 c6 3. c4 c5 4.c3 f6 5.b4 b6 6.d3 d6 7.a4 a5!=. C.) I am curious to see your line for Black against 7. e2. I agree with point D, though I think that a well prepared White player could score quite well below at least, say, 2100 level. Of course the Spanish is stronger if Black is 2000+ and is prepared. I doubt you will find anyone who would dispute this. |
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| Jan-24-08 |
| DarthStapler: The Evans Gambit is one of my favorite openings. I once beat a master with it |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| Pianoplayer: i love the evans gambit it"s my favorite opening |
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| Feb-08-08 |
| MaxxLange: <Chigorin>
"Evan's Gambit": a gambit that belongs to someone named "Evan". This is wrong. "Evans Gambit": the gambit invented by Captain Evans. This is correct. |
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| Feb-17-08 |
| Chigorin: Actually, wouldn't that make it "Evans' Gambit"? It isn't a gambit named "Evans" after all, but a gambit belonging to Captain Evans. |
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| Apr-13-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: Evans's Gambit then!!!! |
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May-15-08
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| keypusher: <Chigorin: It isn't a gambit named "Evans" after all, but a gambit belonging to Captain Evans.> It's both. The use of proper names in chess openings is not consistent; thus we have Lasker's Defense, but the Chigorin System in the Ruy Lopez (not Chigorin's System). I am not sure about this, but I think 1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6 generally goes by "the Chigorin Defense" and not "Chigorin's Defense." So there is no hard and fast rule here. But I think calling the OOTD just "the Evans Gambit" makes sense, because people seem to have such trouble when apostrophes and the letter "s" come together. Every time I see someone write "Evan's Gambit" I die a little inside. |
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| May-15-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: Why isn't the Evans Gambit popular anymore?
I myself play the Evans Gambit so I really want to know. |
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May-15-08
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| keypusher: <Why isn't the Evans Gambit popular anymore?
I myself play the Evans Gambit so I really want to know.> Yes, I play it too. Not to be a smart aleck, but the reason it isn't popular is that it loses a pawn. Other reasons:
3. Bb5 is a lot more popular than Bc4.
If you do play 3. Bc4 you are going to see a lot of Two Knights Defenses, and a lot of chessplayers would rather not deal with that. FWIW, in the database, the Evans scores very poorly compared to the King's Gambit. |
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| May-15-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: But I feel that d3 is the best answer to a two knights game.
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3
And my idea is to play Nb1-c3-e2-g3,0-0,Bc1-e3 (or g5),c2-c3,b2-b4,a2-a4 and get a good attack on the Q-side.But you can also play h2-h3 and try to play something involving g4 with a attack.After h2-h3 there is also an interesting ide with Nf3-h2 and f2-f4.
What do you think of it? |
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May-15-08
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| keypusher: <Nikita Smirnov: But I feel that d3 is the best answer to a two knights game. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3
And my idea is to play Nb1-c3-e2-g3,0-0,Bc1-e3 (or g5),c2-c3,b2-b4,a2-a4 and get a good attack on the Q-side.But you can also play h2-h3 and try to play something involving g4 with a attack.After h2-h3 there is also an interesting ide with Nf3-h2 and f2-f4. What do you think of it?> Fine, but not exactly pulse-pounding. On the other hand, someone who plays the Two Knights would probably hate it, so that's something. |
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| May-15-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: <keypusher: <Nikita Smirnov: But I feel that d3 is the best answer to a two knights game. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 And my idea is to play Nb1-c3-e2-g3,0-0,Bc1-e3 (or g5),c2-c3,b2-b4,a2-a4 and get a good attack on the Q-side.But you can also play h2-h3 and try to play something involving g4 with a attack.After h2-h3 there is also an interesting ide with Nf3-h2 and f2-f4. What do you think of it?>
Fine, but not exactly pulse-pounding. On the other hand, someone who plays the Two Knights would probably hate it, so that's something.> Right now I am just experimenting it.But I hope some persons will share this idea and play it.The endgame postitions may be very funny because of the strange pawn structure.
Another thing to add is that in the g5 line with the bishop.Then the bishop will be exchanged in many lines.And the white fielded bishop can get an outpost on d5 if a weakness like b5 comes. |
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May-15-08
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| keypusher: <But I hope some persons will share this idea and play it.> You can find dozens of games like what you've described. Although h3 and g4 is obviously risky. |
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| May-15-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: <keypusher: <But I hope some persons will share this idea and play it.>
You can find dozens of games like what you've described. Although h3 and g4 is obviously risky.> I know that I am a bit of a strange person with my ideas.That idea with h3 and g4 is risky as you said,but in my experiments it is a good and interesting idea.But it is a risk you can take and throw over your pieces to the kings side. |
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| May-15-08 |
| Chigorin: You'll have to forgive me guys. The mistake is all mine. You see I had intended to post a comment on a site dedicated to chess games and only ended up here at chesspunctuation.com by mistake! |
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May-15-08
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| Billy Vaughan: Hey, you look like you'd know. I keep bumping into ChessGames again, but could you show me the way to ChessSarcasm? |
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May-15-08
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| keypusher: <Chigorin: You'll have to forgive me guys. The mistake is all mine. You see I had intended to post a comment on a site dedicated to chess games and only ended up here at chesspunctuation.com by mistake!> Repent, sinner! When Zombie Captain Evans climbs out of his grave and exacts his gruesome revenge on you, it will be too late to appreciate the importance of proper punctuation. |
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May-15-08
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| tamar: Too late!
From newsdesk at chesspunctuation.com:
Unusual activity was reported at cemetery located in the churchyard at Nieuwpoortse-Steenweg, lawn number 8, grave 39. Stone was moved and casket was empty.
Chess forensic experts have linked the disturbance to a posting on chessgames.com and a possible misspelling. Ask that user <Chigorin> avoid high seas between Wales and Ireland until this matter is resolved. |
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May-15-08
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| Red October: of course at chessspelling.com the debate continues between Chigorin and Tchigorin |
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May-16-08
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| Billy Vaughan: Chigorin vs Lasker, 1895 |
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| May-20-08 |
| Nikita Smirnov: <Red October: of course at chessspelling.com the debate continues between Chigorin and Tchigorin> In Sweden the spelling is strange in the russian names.Like Tjigorin,Sjomin,Morozevitj and so on. |
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