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|Dec-01-07|| ||Amarande: Be7 does seem much more logical to me, indeed. I am surprised it was not more popular before.|
Bc5 is just a poor move, as it simply gives away the center (as in the Giuoco Piano with 4 c3, Black is forced to exchange the pawns). Its popularity surprises me also.
Finally as for Ba5 ... I don't really get its popularity either, it causes a momentary disruption as White can't play cxd4 immediately, but after White O-O, the B is very out of play, and helps White's advantage because it is also not easily used for defense (on a similar line, Tarrasch vs Chigorin, 1893 where Black's B at a5 is cut out of the play for virtually the entire game after the retreat to that square). Even after Bb6 ... once White plays O-O the attack on f2 loses virtually all of its power, and the same lack of defensive value accrues.
It definitely seems that Be7 is the way to go ...
|Dec-01-07|| ||cyruslaihy: i really love those days when chess have nothing to do with computers, unfortunately i was born in 1991 and only learned the moves when i was 12 so i have never tried those romantic openings becaus they were always considered 'unsound' in chess books|
|Dec-01-07|| ||Chess Carnival: Thank you <chessgames.com> for the outstanding new "Chess Viewer Deluxe"!! Its very useful!|
|Dec-01-07|| ||taroak: Is it me or was 6.....Nf6 the cause of all the problems for black? It made white's game very easy. I think anyone with a rating over 1600 and a little understanding of the opening as well as open games could find these moves.|
|Dec-01-07|| ||kevin86: I've seen this game many times,it might even had been a puzzle-perfect Monday material.|
The mate in three is also a bit of whimsy:
First move-the queen chomps down on a staid,unsuspecting rook.
Second move: the bishop checks the king,confines it to the back row,and clears the deck for the rook. Black can either replace the king at g8 or put the queen in between the check-paralyzing her in the process.
Third Move-the rook comes in for the kill. Case closed.
|Dec-01-07|| ||Jack Kerouac: Ah,yes. The Mona Lisa of chess art. The Chess-nut logic of originality and creation of beauty that transcends the ages and inspires future generations of deep thinkers to expand upon this singular kernel of brilliance and produce the Morphy's, the Steinitz's, the Chigorin's, the Alekhine's, and.....you....|
|Dec-01-07|| ||noiselesion: McDonnell gets punished for his lack of development.|
|Dec-01-07|| ||addiction to chess: That was a brilliant game by Evan!|
|Dec-01-07|| ||black knight c6: <noiselesion> Did you even look at the position? End of move 6, black has more development. All through the game he has equal. Its white's tactics that win the day, not McDonnell's lack of opening principles.|
Rather than looking for a better move at move 9 for black, I think the real question is at moves 5 and 6. 5. ... Ba5 is a good possibility, and 6. ... Nf6?! is a questionable move which loses to the pawn rush demonstrated by Evans. Unfortunately I can't see how Ne7 is any better, because this then blocks the c-file knight's retreat upon 9. d5.
|Dec-01-07|| ||patzer2: Evan's 17. Qc3+! finishes off the winning White attack with a mate-in-three after 17...Kg8 18. Qxh8+! .|
|Dec-01-07|| ||patzer2: <Rather than looking for a better move at move 9 for black, I think the real question is at moves 5 and 6. 5. ... Ba5 is a good possibility> Most modern GMs would probably agree. Black did well to win with 5...Ba5 in I Kurnosov vs G Sargissian, 2005 and M Narmontas vs A Butnorius, 2007 for example, though White held the draw in a strong correspondence contest in M Umansky vs G Timmerman, 2005.|
Also solid is 5...Be7 as in Karjakin vs Beliavsky, 2005 or Michael Yeo vs S Haslinger, 2007.
|Dec-02-07|| ||Infohunter: <gauer: is the thread that wins the piece in the line after 4 ... Nxb4!? 5 Nxe5 Qf6 6 d4, and now if 6 ... Bxd4!? 7 Ng4!? Qc6 else Q-moves, c3!? 8 Bd5 Qxc2 9 Qxd4 Qxc1 10 Ke2 Qxh1 11 Qxg7 Nxd5 12 Qxh8 and being the pawn down doesn't add up to being down a piece? The white position doesn't seem to be preferred, but is there a quicker forcing loss than with the cornered Queen that I'm missing? Still learning...>|
If 7. Ng4, then Black need not move the Queen. He simply plays 7...Bxf2+ and after 8. Nxf2 replies with 8...Qxa1, winning.
|Dec-25-07|| ||gauer: Yes, black does win the piece back in my line as well, since even 7 Ng4 Qc6 8 Bd5 Qxc2 9 Qxd4 <Nd3!> had later been enough to convince me that white has nothing. My notes originally looked only at 6 ... Bb6 [the Bishop Try that Dickbrain later endorses in the other variation of an earlier post], with the above as unchecked computer lines. Still though, white had better be prepared to meet both Q-Kt-Pawn captures [as black - if he chooses to allow the Italian Game - can always transpose back to Normal Evans Gambit lines via Nxb4->Nc6 Opening Explorer - 6 0-0, 6 d4 likely lead to the unclear Normal position, or the less tested & low scoring 6 Qb3 ] & the Counter-gambit/Declined lines in the move-order above. Perhaps the original Capt. Evans move order with 0-0 before b4 really is the more correct improvement, if white has determined that he is not at least equalizing.|
|Feb-22-08|| ||wolfmaster: 18.? would be a good Wednesday puzzle.|
|Sep-02-08|| ||crafty: 13. d5 gxf6 14. dxc6 xd1 15. xd1 bxc6 16. c1 (eval 2.83; depth 16 ply; 1500M nodes)|
|Sep-12-08|| ||just a kid: I played a game like this once up to Black's 16th move.If anyone wants to see it I posted in first in here(jessicafischerqueen chessforum)Then in my forum on page 5.|
|Jan-01-09|| ||WhiteRook48: anpther one that was called "Naval Intelligence"|
|Jan-07-09|| ||WhiteRook48: Evans played the Evans Gambit. Hmm.|
|Apr-14-09|| ||WhiteRook48: oh, not the movie!|
|Mar-31-11|| ||JoergWalter: Was this game ever played? What is the source of this game? All I find is an analysis in the "Neue Berliner Schachzeitung" from january 1864 giving the moves without reference.
Walker, Lewis and Staunton do not mention it in their works.
Well, I am not Perry Mason but one more fact raises doubt: in Chernev's "1000 best short games" you find a game (at odds of Sb1) Thorold - NN with the exact same moves except for blacks last move - but no mention of Evans vs. McDonnell from 1829.|
|Mar-31-11|| ||sneaky pete: Thorold vs NN, 1882 is now in this database too, of course without QN odds and maybe, or maybe not, with a wrong date. It wasn't when I tried to find the origins of this spurious Evans game some years ago.|
I believed then that 11.Re1+ .. came from Maroczy in his notes to Morphy vs T Lichtenhein, 1857, but apparently the move had been suggested before. By Max Lange maybe, who also edited a Morphy collection?
|Mar-31-11|| ||JoergWalter: sneaky pete, Chernev gives Yorkshire 1882 for the Thorold-NN game. 11.Re1 is charged to L÷wenthal in the Schachzeitung.
Actually, in Staunton's handbook you find after ... 6.0-0 Nf6 7.d4 ed4 8.cd4 Bb6 9. e5 Ng8 "He appears to have no better defence, for if he play 9. P to Q's 4th, you take his Kt. and then check with your Rook;..."
Now, Staunton, Lewis and Walker knew Capt. Evans personally and they did not have this variation that marks 6. ... Nf6 as a mistake almost losing by force?
|Aug-13-11|| ||IRONCASTLEVINAY: you should not play evans against the player who has invented it|
|Dec-01-11|| ||Bishoprick: In recent times, didn't Kasparov play the Evans once or twice, with rather good results?|
|Jun-30-12|| ||e4 resigns: I remember a game with 11.d5, but IMO 11.Re1+ is better.|
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