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|Jan-17-14|| ||thomastonk: <jessicafischerqueen> This about Captain Evans vs Saint Amant, 1843.|
After 11 hours of research for this single game, I come to the conclusion that it is no longer a question of 1836 or 1843. The question I ask now is much more important: are the players of this game confirmed?
I've found no other/better sources than Walker's “Chess Studies” and Staunton's “Handbook”. So, if we assume that Staunton copied it from Walker, then we have only one source, and there the game is given without names!
Once arrived at this point, I checked other games that don't have player names there, and I will give you and everyone else one astonishing example. Please look at no. 937 in “Chess Studies”, p. 157.
No. 933 is Staunton vs St.Amant, and nos. 934-936 are St.Amant vs Staunton. That's already surprising, because if we assume that a game without names was played by the players mentioned last, then Walker could have omitted the names at least two times before. But that' a minor point.
The question is now, whether no. 937 is a St.Amant vs Staunton game? And the answer is: it does not belong to the two matches they played in 1843! So, did I discover an unknwon battle between these giants of their time?
This could only be answered be extensive search, and the result is a simple reference: "Chess Player's Chronicle", volume 5, p. 170-171 has this game as Rev. C.Richards vs Harry Wilson!
This proves that Walker did not use a rule like "if no players are named, then the game is played by the same players as above", and hence no. 983 is not necessarily Captian Evans vs St.Amant! So, a more complex search for this game seems to be necessary.
PS: No. 937 is not my only example, but the most impressive.
PPS: I guess somebody added Captain Evans vs Saint Amant, 1843 after May-27-13, maybe a bit premature.
|Jan-18-14|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <thomastonk>
What ingenious digging, good work on that.
Just one thing- I'm wondering *why* <Staunton> included the names if <Walker> was his source for the game, and <Walker> doesn't list the names? Captain Evans vs Saint Amant, 1843
I'm also wondering where <Tim Harding> got the date of the game from, because neither of his listed primary sources (Walker and Staunton) gives that information.
At any rate, I believe you have raised enough doubt about who actually played this game to justify saying the upload was "premature."
It seems so.
|Jan-18-14|| ||RedShield: Seeing that <cg.com> are in the process of removing professional titles such as Dr. and Professor, I'm wondering if our gallant captain will share the same fate.|
|Jan-18-14|| ||thomastonk: <jessicafischerqueen> After another 6 hours of search I have the solution! And my suspicion was correct.|
The moves of Captain Evans vs Saint Amant, 1843 were publihed in "Bell's Life", May 3, 1840! So, 1843 is definitely wrong. But I am sure that 1836 is wrong, too, as well as Evans and Saint Amant.
The only information given by Walker in this brief column is: "Interesting match-Game (sic) between two first raters." Since Walker usually mentioned the Captain and, in particular, foreign players, this game is due to two different players.
So, Walker's "Chess Studies" is consistent, but now it seems that Staunton introduced the wrong names, and someone else the wrong year.
I am relieved, it's over.
|Jan-18-14|| ||Tabanus: On Staunton in The Era, 3 April 1859:
".. as we are all well aware of that gentleman's forgetfulness, we do not care to rely upon the assertion."
|Jan-18-14|| ||thomastonk: <Tabanus> The assertion from your quote belongs to the famous Judy and Stella case. Please give my tired brain a hint, why Löwenthal's statement on Staunton appears here and now? Thanks.|
|Jan-18-14|| ||Tabanus: <tt> Because I get the impression that Löwenthal considered Staunton generally unreliable as a source.|
But maybe that's to stretch it too far.
|Jan-18-14|| ||thomastonk: <Tabanus> Just a few days ago I went through "The Era" of 1856 and 1857 in order to study the consultation games that happened regurlarly on Saturday evenings, where Staunton and Löwenthal were the main protagonists. My impression was that Löwenthal had no problems with Staunton, and even more, that he esteemed him to a certain degree.|
In the Judy and Stella case, Staunton was probably forced to stay with the (wrong?) assertion.
|Jan-18-14|| ||Tabanus: <thomastonk> Yes, but I also think Löwenthal did not consider it much wrong if Staunton withheld information.|
Perhaps the game is by Staunton himself? Just speculation.
|Jan-18-14|| ||thomastonk: <Tabanus: Perhaps the game is by Staunton himself? Just speculation.>
To be serious: if I'm right with my observations, then Staunton published a lost game wrongly attributed to his arch-rival. This is a scandal in its own! But did he do this deliberately?! I don't think so. But who knows?
|Jan-20-14|| ||jessicafischerqueen: <thomas tonk, Tabanus>|
I wish you two could have your own Chess History TV show in which you investigate such mysteries for the audience.
Has either of you considered actually doing this by creating a "youtube channel" devoted to such a project?
It's not actually that hard to get a good audience for such topics on youtube, because people world wide who are interested in such topics would find you out.
|Apr-06-14|| ||Conrad93: He is the Joseph Conrad of the chess world.|
|Apr-08-14|| ||N0B0DY: [insert rolling eyes here]|
|Apr-08-14|| ||john barleycorn: <Nobody> looks at this:
|Apr-08-14|| ||Conrad93: NOBODY, you may not know the history of Conrad, but he wrote his first novel while he was captain of a British vessel. He would write it on and off from port to port.|
|Apr-08-14|| ||Conrad93: The sea is a good a motivator.|
|Apr-11-14|| ||N0B0DY: <The sea is a good a motivator.> Right! The sea and the gallows refuse none.|
|Mar-06-15|| ||zanzibar: Cross your fingers, a fine portrait of the good Capt should soon be appearing... from |
<Deutsche Schachzeitung - A. Anderssen 1873 p xiv>
|Mar-12-15|| ||zanzibar: From "Westminster Chess Club Papers" - v3 (1872) p210:|
<It is with sincere regret we learn that Captain Evans, the inventor of the Evans Gambit, is in great pecuniary distress. He is now 82 y,ears of age, nearly blind, and very infirm. He has a wife and sister dependent upon him for support. For some years past he has been residing in Belgium, but the doctors strongly recommend his removal to England, as the damp, cold climate of Ostend is killing him, and he cannot be moved unless certain little debts, incurred during his illness, are first discharged. What Arkwright was to Manchester, and Stephenson to railways, Captain Evans has been to Chess. His Opening was the greatest discovery since the days of Philidor and Lolli, and has caused more pleasure to Chess players than anything else connected with the game. It is proposed to raise £100 to assist him in his difficulties, and all gentlemen willing to help in this good cause, either with money or their names, are earnestly requested to communicate with Mr. George Walker, 40 Albion Road, Stoke Newington (who will vouch for the truth of this statement), or to Mr. Charles Mossop, solicitor, 1 Ironmonger Lane, E.C. These gentlemen will endeavour to form a committee of the leading Chess players to raise the required sum, and they will duly acknowledge the receipt of any contribution that may be forwarded to them.>
|Mar-12-15|| ||zanzibar: The excerpt from WCCP was from April, 1872. Evans never left Ostend, he died soon thereafter, in August.|
|Mar-12-15|| ||zanzibar: He was buried (or rather, interred) in Ostend:
|Mar-12-15|| ||zanzibar: From Deutsche Zeitung v27 Nr. 9. September. 1872. p270/271 (google translated):|
<Captain W. D. Evans from Milford.
Our readers will surely hear with regret and sympathy the sad news
that we have today to communicate to them the death of the famous
inventor of the ingenious Evans game. Collections were a few months
ago in England held to give the 82-year Marine Capitain Evans support
he needed urgently - and now, before the leaves overlooked the success
of the general request comes from the east end there, at the news of
his. Death in August. No one had, perhaps, at some time, a recognized
world fame on so unpretentious manner attained, as the newly defunct
chess friend. Thanks to him, countless players of all areas of the
source of their most beautiful and successful combinations, and so
could arguably the duration of his memory, with the easy part
4. b2-b4, be safe, but the memory of some ore dug in deed.
About the circumstances surrounding the Captain Evans and we expect
about his activity as a chess player an essay in "Ill. Lond. News," we
commemorate his time to use. At the same time we will bring a portrait
|Mar-12-15|| ||zanzibar: The above should read Deutsche Schachzeitung.|
|Jan-27-16|| ||TheFocus: Happy birthday, Captain Evans!!
Thank you for your gambit.
|Jun-01-17|| ||MissScarlett: Liverpool Mercury, April 2nd 1892, p7:
<Probably few chess players are aware that the surviving daughter of the late Captain Evans is at present living near Liverpool in very reduced circumstances. The poor lady is in delicate health, and greatly needs some kindly help, and it has been suggested that, considering the debt of gratitude owed by the whole chess world to the inventor of the Evans Gambit, players in all parts of the country might gracefully recognise his services by extending help to his daughter in her time of need. The nucleus of a fund already exists in the hands of a well-known ship-owner, and the chess editor of the Weekly Mercury will be glad to take charge of any subscriptions sent to us, and see that they are properly administered. Acknowledged 10s., Gambit (Newry).>
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