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|Jul-18-09|| ||ray keene: this is a truly fabulous game-to have won the immortal, the evergreen and this is an unbelievable achievement !!|
|Jul-18-09|| ||TheChessGuy: I agree with Grandmaster Keene here; Anderssen had phenomenal tactical vision and his play serves as a great example of chess as art.|
|Jul-18-09|| ||Calli: <sneaky pete> sez "but as we don't have the exact dates"|
Herm. v. Gottschall says "Gespielt den 8 August 1869" and lists this game as a tournament game. He has Anderssen vs Zukertort, 1869 as among the "Freie Partie"
|Jul-18-09|| ||jwool: 29. Qxh7+ Kxh7 30. f6+ Kg8 31. Bh7+ Kxh7..draws the King out. 32. Rh3+ Kg8. 33.Rh8++ I think this would be
|Jul-19-09|| ||Peligroso Patzer: <psmith: [from Aug-06-05] *** 14...f6 was not the losing move, 18... b4 was.> |
The losing move may actually have been 25. ... Rd8.
Based on analysis of this game with silicon assistance, it seems that as late as move 25, Black would have been fine (in fact, somewhat better) if he had played 25. ... Qc6 (maintaining the pin on the f3-Knight and threatening 26. ... Qxf6).
After <25. ... Rd8?>, however, White wins by force. After <26.Rcg1>, Zukertort's 26. ... Kh8 loses directly; he could have put up more resistance with <26...Rxf6> but White still wins after <27.Rxg7+ Kh8> [Black loses more quickly after 27...Kf8?, for example: 28.Rg8+ Ke7 (or 28...Qxg8 29.Rxg8+ Kxg8 30.Qg5+ ; and if 28...Kf7 29.R1g7#) 29. R1g7+]
and (picking up the line after 27. Rxg7+ Kh8) <28.Qe2 > with the idea of 29. Be4, after which White's Queen and Knight join the attack.
|Sep-07-09|| ||psmith: <Peligroso Patzer> Could you share some of the silicon-assisted analysis showing that Black is fine after 25...Qc6?|
My own short silicon-assisted analysis is showing White as doing well after 25...Qc6 26. Rcg1 Qxf6 27. Ng5.
|Sep-07-09|| ||Boomie: <psmith: <Peligroso Patzer>>|
Black is toast after 24...Qxd5?
24...c4 seems to be the right move.
24...c4 25. Bxc4 Rc8 26. Bd3 Rxc1+ 27. Qxc1 Kh8=
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|Sep-08-09|| ||psmith: <Boomie>
How does Black continue after 24...c4 25. Be4?
|Sep-08-09|| ||Boomie: <psmith: <Boomie> |
How does Black continue after 24...c4 25. Be4?>
Be4 is much better. White avoids the trade of rooks after Bxc4 to keep the attack going. In fact, I'm finding white winning advantages after Be4. But the lines are long and it's slow going.
So far it's fair to say that black's problems started move 24.
Nice intuition on Be4.
|Sep-13-09|| ||Boomie: <Oops: So far it's fair to say that black's problems started move 24.>|
Should read <started before move 24>.
|Nov-22-09|| ||Dravus: Adolf's beer, brewed in the Rockies, beats Zukertort's pastry.|
|Apr-06-10|| ||Atking: <nimh> could you check also 21.g5? I'm under the impression White could give his queen after. 21...NxNf3 22.gxf NxQ (22...Qxf6 23.BxQ NxQ 24.Rxg7+ Kh8 25.Rf7+ Kg8 26.Nh6#) 23.Rxg7+ Kg8 24.f7(Rg8 mate is strong) Even if we suppose the exchange of Bc8 for Nf5 - with now a white pawn on f5, White attack looks terrible. |
Perfect or not, nevertheless a great game of the XIX century.
|Aug-13-10|| ||Grantchamp: Qxh7!!|
|Jun-12-11|| ||JoergWalter: < nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.33.
Anderssen 2 mistakes:
15.Kh1 -0.56 (15.Nf4 -0.19)>
Can you provide details to rybka's recommended 15.Nf4 instead of Kh1?
15.Kh1 is required - any other move will turn the attack over to black according to Zukertort. Thanks.
|May-04-12|| ||JoeHatter: HI everybody, I just started trying to analyze some old games to sharpened my rusty skill, and came across this one.... I feel that I can see why everything is played the way it is, until moves 12-15? |
particularly moves 13. Ne2 & 15. Kh1... I can't see what purpose either is looking to accomplish? It there meaning behind these, or are they just a "I have superior position/development, so I'm just going to pass some time here" sort of thing?
|May-04-12|| ||penarol: <JoeHatter> Looking how the game follows after those moves, one can see that 15.Kh1 was part of the winning procedure, occupying the g column with the rook, etc. And the Ne2-g3-f5 also played a key role.|
|Jul-02-13|| ||morfishine: While Anderssen is one of my favorite players, Zukertort made way too many sub-par moves|
|Nov-01-13|| ||Isilimela: @nimh. Thanks. It's interesting to see what the 'silicon monsters' have to say about these old masterpieces!|
|Apr-16-14|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Did White announce mate?|
|Apr-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: after move 28....Qd6:
<Anderssen kündigte hier "ohne Erbarmen" Matt in fünf Zügen an.>
Chess trivia I would say.
|Apr-20-14|| ||john barleycorn: This is how Paulsen played his defense
Anderssen vs Paulsen, 1862
And here we see Steinitz missing 15....f6 in the Paulsen defense
Anderssen vs Steinitz, 1866
|Jul-06-15|| ||sfm: Cute that Zukertort resigns after 28.-,Qd6. They will both have seen the end in seconds.|
|Jul-06-15|| ||RookFile: Just a good old boys... never meaning no harm....|
|May-06-16|| ||andrea volponi: 24...c4!!-Axc4 Cxc4-Txc4=|
|Nov-23-16|| ||andrea volponi: 24...c4-25g6!! |
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