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Paul Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard
"A Night at the Opera" (game of the day Dec-02-07)
Paris (1858)  ·  Philidor Defense: General (C41)  ·  1-0
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Aug-28-15  morfishine: <MindCtrol9> And Super Nez !
Sep-06-15  The Kings Domain: One of the most memorable games, and one of the most instructive. Morphy may have seen victory by move 10.
Sep-06-15
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  Sally Simpson: It is probably correct about this game being printed more than any other.

Here is today's question.

Which well known chess book had the score of this game printed in it eight times (yes 8 times) and yet on the 3rd edition of the same book it does not appear at all, not even once?

Sep-07-15  The Kings Domain: Sally Simpson: Interesting, I don't know the answer but I couldn't help but wonder: why would they do that? Reminds me of "The Mammoth book of Chess" which is supposed to be a compilation of the best games recorded and it doesn't include a single game of Morphy!
Sep-07-15
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  Est2002: Qb8 !! What a tremendous exhibition of chess this game is. Morphy was sumptin else :)
Sep-07-15
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  Sally Simpson: Hi King's Domain.

Of course you knew the answer (or it a fantastic coincidence.) - well done!

It is indeed ' "The Mammoth Book of Chess".

They used the Morphy at the Opera game to show all the different ways of recording a game from short algebraic, to long descriptive to Correspondence notation (where 1.e4 is 5254).

In the 3rd edition this was all gone. (I've no idea if it is or is not in the 2nd edition....Anybody?)

No Morphy game in the Mammoth book of the World's Greatest Games.

But it is the 'World's Greatest Games' not the most 'Famous Games.'

Also if 100 hundred Kibitzers on here drew up a list of the 10 greatest games placed in any order I doubt if any two list would contain the same 10 games.

The 'Immortal' and 'The Evergreen' make it in the book. Two games I'd leave out, also in is Adams - Torre, New Orleans 1920. Which even this site and the Mammoth authors admit was probably analysis. (leave it in as the World's Greatest Composed Game!)

E Z Adams vs Carlos Torre, 1920

I'm wondering if the cold dark hand of Dr. John Nunn, one of the co-authors, was at work here.

Dr John has gone on record as saying he did not like the Morphy Game.

" One of my pet hates is the choice of games for beginnersí books. There are certain standard examples that tend to be repeated in book after book.

In many beginnersí books, you will find the game Morphy vs Count Isouard and the Duke of Brunswick, played during a performance of the Paris Opera in 1858.

Itís not an especially good game, as one might expect when the strongest player of his day confronts two duffers.

Moreover, it has always seemed to me faintly incredible that authors couldnít find a relevant example less than 140 years old.

In this book, every game and game extract is from the twentieth century (indeed, only two are earlier than 1950).

The style of chess played today is quite different from that of 1858, and while some of the differences are subtle, there is no reason why players should not be exposed to contemporary chess thought from the beginning."

(pages 4-5 of his book 'Learn Chess.')

Fair enough. That was in the introduction

First Chapter.

1. Why Learn Chess

And Dr. John starts with:

"Chess is a game with a long history."

Hang on...then why only two pre-1950 games.

:)

Sep-07-15  The Kings Domain: Sally Simpson: A mistake that turned out right: I actually meant "The Mammoth Book of the World's Greatest Chess Games". (Heh)

Nunn has peeved me with his anti-Morphy slant ever since. It seems the Brit has yet to get over the fact that his boy Staunton ran over the hills and far away to dodge Morphy more than a century and a half after the fact.

Sep-08-15
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  NeverAgain: <Sally sez: The style of chess played today is quite different from that of 1858, and while some of the differences are subtle, there is no reason why players should not be exposed to contemporary chess thought from the beginning."

(pages 4-5 of his book 'Learn Chess.')
Fair enough. That was in the introduction

First Chapter.
1. Why Learn Chess

And Dr. John starts with:

"Chess is a game with a long history.">

I see no no contradiction here. History is best admired at a distance. That's from someone who'd been reading college textbooks on Roman Empire in the fifth grade.

<The Kings Domain: It seems the Brit has yet to get over the fact that his boy Staunton ran over the hills and far away to dodge Morphy more than a century and a half after the fact.>

With history it's customary to conduct at least some research before claiming something as a fact. Hint: Morphy, Edge, Winter, Google.

Sep-08-15
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  Sally Simpson: Hi Never Again,

I did a wee :) at the end of my piece noting the coincidence.

However....

As I said 'fair enough' but why mention this game if he thinks it is "not an especially good game" in a book presumably aimed at people who don't know anything about chess.

Perhaps he thought traditionalists would grumble about the fact the Morphy game was not included.

I doubt many, if any, would have said anything. His objection to this game, which takes up a third of the introduction and has more words written about it than some of the games actually included in the book, has only highlighted the fact.

Leave it out. 'fair enough' but to have an unnecessary pop at it seems very strange.

It's like writing a book on how to buy a guitar, string it, tune it and play it and in the introduction to the book tell the bemused reader about a song you don't like.

Whilst I agree many writers use the same old examples, this game is instructive, easily explained and has lit the chess spark in many a beginner.

But in or out, I'm not bothered. I just find the rant strange.

The statement:

"There are certain standard examples that tend to be repeated in book after book"

Also quivers when you see the two famous pre-1950 games Doctor John allowed into his book.

Capablanca vs M Fonaroff, 1918

(Maybe he did not want two off hand games skittles games in his book.)

More about this game here:

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/...

The other chosen pre-1950 game is also a famous Capablanca game showing off a weak back rank.

A large percentage of the readers will already know what game I'm talking about.

Yes it's:

O Bernstein vs Capablanca, 1914

And now 90% of the lads here are playing 29...Qb2 in their minds.

I doubt if the Morphy - Staunton non-match influenced him. He does not seem to get to excited about any game (bar two) played before 1950.

And yet his 'John Nunn's Chess Course' by John Nunn! is based solely on the games of 'World Champion Lasker'. (1868 - 1941).

Dec-26-15
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  Domdaniel: Just showed this game to my five-year-old nephew, who became a Morphy fan on the spot. After 16.Qb8 he said "I can take the Queen" - he's got good chess reflexes - and then was stunned by the mate. Such a great game.
Dec-26-15
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  Domdaniel: <Sally S> Personally, I have some sympathy for Nunn's position -- I don't play 1.e4, and I usually play the French against it, and I tend to prefer closed games. I don't try to emulate 19th century games, as some do.

And yet ... tactics are hugely important, ditto some experience with open games. The Opera game is important precisely because of its appeal to beginners... the thread of logic running through it, the Morphy mythology, the beauty of the mate. It has the power to captivate.

Jan-30-16  DraganChase: That bG5 is the insurance. Great tactic.
Jan-31-16
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  RookFile: Just taking a poll. If you had white in this game, would you play 15. Bxd7 as Morphy did, or 15. Bxf6, planning on meeting 15....Qxb3 with 16. Bxd7 mate. No right or wrong answer here, just curious.
Jan-31-16  MariusDaniel: This is such a Great Game of Chess,I love it!
Apr-20-16
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  Est2002: I don't see how 4..Bg4 was "A weak move already" as Fischer said. I've seen many games with 4..Bg4 but just different outcomes. Nonetheless it's still one of my favorite games of chess.
Apr-20-16
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  Shams: <Est2002> Different outcomes yes but White wins more than three out of every four games against it. Opening Explorer. That's nearly as bad as Damiano's Defense. Opening Explorer

You're supposed to get something when you give up the bishop pair out of the gate.

Apr-20-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  RookFile: I think there is a gambit black could play here. Can't remember but I think maybe 4...Nc6 isn't too bad. At least he won't get mated right out of the opening.
Apr-21-16  sudoplatov: The usual gambit goes:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 d6
3. d4 Bg4
4. de5 Nd7
5. ed6 Bd6
....
Apr-22-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  Est2002: Shams. Thank you for your reply Sir. I'll have a look at the opening explorer now. For someone who's my level I still don't think it's that bad but I guess it's hard to disagree with a player called Bobby Fischer. :)
Jun-06-16  Adrian Chantler: Great game! Morphy was an excellent player.
Jun-16-16  stst: Morphy is almost top on my fav list, maybe I rank him and Capa very roughly equal.

Both are simply huge raw talents at genius level, the rest that come very very close are Fish, Alek, Tal and, the latest, Magnus.

Morphy's game give an impression that the talent is simply too huge to put up any resistance, whereas for Capa, youa're virtually playing with a machine.

Aug-12-16  thegoodanarchist: <The Kings Domain>

I prefer "The Chess Book of Mammoths "

Sep-01-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  offramp: <Sally Simpson>, hello, Geoff.

I remember Time Out having a poll which asked its readers to send in their top 5 films of all time.

Great, I thought. And I started thinking: It's A Mad Mad Mad Mad World, Bride of the Monster, Son of Frankenstein, Old Mother Riley Meets The Vampire ...

But then I saw that there was a competition involved:

IF my top 5 matched the FINAL top 5, then I could win DVDs of the entire top 50 films! A major prize!

Obviously, to win it I had to change my top 5 drastically: Citizen Kane, Raging Bull, All Quiet on the Western Front, Star Wars, Gandhi ....

You can see the difference. The first set was MY own personal favourites.

The second was WHAT I THOUGHT other people would select as a top 5. Big difference!

Many people might think that this game, Morphy vs Duke Karl / Count Isouard, 1858, is WORTHY of being in the top 100, even though they don't particularly like it.

I'm not a big fan of it, but I can see why some people like it.

Sep-02-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  keypusher: <1. Why Learn Chess

And Dr. John starts with:

"Chess is a game with a long history."

Hang on...then why only two pre-1950 games. >

Geometry has a long history too, but that doesn't mean you teach it with Euclid's textbook.

<Itís not an especially good game, as one might expect when the strongest player of his day confronts two duffers.>

It's not a good game in the sense that Black makes lots of mistakes. But there's still an amazing grace and elegance to it. As an illustration of the power of development it's worth a thousand precepts.

<Domdaniel: Just showed this game to my five-year-old nephew, who became a Morphy fan on the spot. After 16.Qb8 he said "I can take the Queen" - he's got good chess reflexes - and then was stunned by the mate. Such a great game.>

Yes, that shows exactly why this game winds up in so many books (though surely laziness plays a part).

<The 'Immortal' and 'The Evergreen' make it in the book. Two games I'd leave out>

I agree -- and surely there's no reason for both of them to be in there? If I were king I'd leave the Dufresne game in there, take out Kieseritzsky and add Morphy vs Harrwitz, 1858 or Morphy vs Anderssen, 1858.

Generally I found that book too heavily weighted towards sacrificial orgies.

Sep-02-16  saffuna: <And Dr. John starts with:

"Chess is a game with a long history." >

Analyzing one of his losses, Dr. John reportedly said, "I was in the right place, but it must have been the wrong time."

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