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| Jan-15-06 |
| blingice: The Chessmaster Database has this as 38. f8= .. c2#. That one seems more logical because, between MacDonnell and La Bourdonnais, they both had the capacity in previous games to resign when they saw a loss. The only reason that La Bourdonnais would claim a would be to momentarily delay the mate, something he isn't liable to do. He'd likely rather claim his after his  sac, expecting he could then crush MacDonnell, when MacDonnell comes with an unexpected mate. Someone with Fritz, please look in that database or someone look in another source to check this. |
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| Apr-24-06 |
| syracrophy: 34.Rxe1?? was the losing move. Alright and probably winning was simply 34.Nb1! |
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| Feb-17-07 |
| HOTDOG: 30...Nxe4!(instead of Bxe4)31.Rxg7+ Kh8 (threatening 32...Qe5+ and 33...Qb2 mate) 32.Nc4 Ng5!! threatening 33...Qe1+.If White plays 32.Qf5,so Black plays 32...Qe5+ with a won ending. 34.Nb1! Kxg7 (34...Qxg3 35.Rh7+ Kg8 36. gxf7+ Kxh7 37. Rh1+! Kg7 38.fxe8=Q) 35.gxf7+ Qxg3 36.fxe8=N+! Kf8 37.Rxg3 and White wins. 25...Rxg5! was a good move,although almost forced
source http://www.corsicoscacchi.com/lm21.... |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| Judah: The game that Morphy mentions in the notes (w/ Morphy's comments on the opening) is La Bourdonnais vs MacDonnell, 1834. |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| CapablancaFan: Wow, this REALLY was a tactical shootout. Even in the middlegame it could have gone either way. I'm just wondering why white kept playing after 33...Qe1+! as after this move there was clearly no way for white to save the game. But then again, we would'nt have had the wonderful double knight mate at the end! |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| Manic: <CapablancaFan> Look at the above kibitzes and Morphy's notes. 33...Qe1+ does not win. Rather, after 33...Qe1+ it is white who wins after 34.Nb1!!, which white missed in the game. |
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Aug-22-07
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| ahmadov: At the end of the game, White does not promote to a Queen, probably understanding that 38...c2 is mate. However, it plays 39.b1 ignoring what he saw before promoting to a knight... |
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Aug-22-07
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| TheBB: <ahmadov> What would you suggest instead? |
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Aug-22-07
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| ahmadov: <TheBB: <ahmadov> What would you suggest instead?> Resigning before promoting... Isn't this the best choice? Or was it compulsory to play until one is mated at the time? |
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Aug-22-07
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| keypusher: The game may well not have been played out to the end. The final moves might have just been tacked on when the game was printed, as with (per Sneaky) Anderssen's immortal game against Kieseritzsky. Tartakower and Du Mont give the finale as 38. f8/Q Nc2#. |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| sneaky pete: William Greenwood Walker (1836) concludes 36. R. to its seventh, ch. 36. K. to Kt., and then checkmates with Kt. |
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Aug-22-07
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| Marmot PFL: Quite a game with a trade of blunders at the end. 32...Qf6 does seem to win easily. |
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Aug-22-07
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| keypusher: <32...Qf6 does seem to win easily.> Too bad 32....Bg6 is unsound; it's such a pretty move. |
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Aug-22-07
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| Jack Kerouac: The Romantic Era at it's best! |
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Aug-22-07
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| brankat: <ahmadov> <At the end of the game, White does not promote to a Queen, probably understanding that 38...Nc2 is mate. However, it plays 39.Nb1 ignoring what he saw before promoting to a knight...> It is highly unlikely that a player of La Bourdonnais's stature didn't the mate in one. Both masters were gentlemen, unlike some of the "modern" masters. I believe La Bourdonnais simply didn't want to deny his opponent the final mating scheme. |
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Aug-22-07
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| kevin86: What a finish! White's king appeared to be a fly netted by black's spidery knights. His cries of "Help me!" fell upon deaf ears as white's forces were to far away to do nothing but prolong the game-even so far as underpromoting a pawn to give one last check. |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| psmith: <HOTDOG> The suggestion of 30...Nxe4 is good, but Morphy's analysis, which is borne out by examination with Fritz, shows that 30...Bxe4 wins as well, if properly followed up with 32...Qf6. |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| smarterthanbobby: 32 queen E2 is unstoppable....
look at it! simple, clear, over!
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| Aug-22-07 |
| smarterthanbobby: ha QUEEN E3 OPPS....
still unstoppable!!!!!!! |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| psmith: <smarterthanbobby>:
32. Qe3 Qf6 stops what you had in mind I think.
Who's Bobby? |
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Aug-22-07
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| fm avari viraf: A very thrilling encounter between these two Masters of Romantic Era. However, there were some slips from both the players under pressure, otherwise a wonderful game! |
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Aug-22-07
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| Chessmensch: <blingice> The Fritz 10 data base (Chessbase) gives f7-f8N+, same as Chessgames.com. |
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| Aug-22-07 |
| soberknight: Haha, f8=N+. A pretty "spite check," but I would have done the same thing. |
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Sep-28-07
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| nimh: Rybka 2.4 mp, AMD X2 2.01GHz, 10 min per move, threshold 0.25. De La Bourdonnais 13 mistakes:
7.d4 -0.45 (7.e5 -0.01)
8.Bxf4 -0.58 (8.e5 0.14)
9.Bd3 -0.30 (9.e5 0.25)
11.h3 -1.10 (11.Nf3 -0.29)
14.Kb1 -0.71 (14.Ngf3 -0.16)
17.g4 -0.48 (17.Rhe1 0.00)
18.Rdg1 -0.89 (18.g5 0.35)
22.Rg4 -0.17 (22.h4 1.00)
23.h4 -0.83 (23.Nh4 0.39)
25.h5 -1.56 (25.Rf1 1.42)
27.Qf3 -2.57 (27.Qe3 -1.56)
30.Ka1 -3.47 (30.Kc2 -2.63)
34.Rxe1 #6 (34.Nb1 5.99)
McDonnell 14 mistakes:
5...Ne7 0.21 (5...0-0 -0.24)
7...Bb6 0.14 (7...d5 -0.45)
8...d6 0.25 (8...d5 -0.58)
12...Qe7 -0.31 (12...d5 -1.03)
13...c5 -0.16 (13...Bd7 -0.42)
15...a5 -0.26 (15...Bd7 -0.79)
16...Bd7 0.00 (16...a4 -0.27)
17...h6 0.35 (17...Bc6 -0.48)
18...a4 0.49 (18...Bc6 -0.89)
21...Bc6 1.00 (21...Rac8 0.23)
22...Ba5 0.39 (22...Qe6 -0.17)
23...Bxd2 0.30 (23...Qd7 -0.83)
24...Ra5 1.42 (24...Qe6 0.29)
32...Bg6 6.44 (32...Qf6 -3.49)
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Oct-11-07
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| nimh: Correction, new threshold 0.33.
De La Bourdonnais 13 mistakes:
7.d4 -0.45 (7.e5 -0.01)
8.Bxf4 -0.58 (8.e5 0.14)
9.Bd3 -0.30 (9.e5 0.25)
11.h3 -1.10 (11.Nf3 -0.29)
14.Kb1 -0.71 (14.Ngf3 -0.16)
17.g4 -0.48 (17.Rhe1 0.00)
18.Rdg1 -0.89 (18.g5 0.35)
22.Rg4 -0.17 (22.h4 1.00)
23.h4 -0.83 (23.Nh4 0.39)
25.h5 -1.56 (25.Rf1 1.42)
27.Qf3 -2.57 (27.Qe3 -1.56)
30.Ka1 -3.47 (30.Kc2 -2.63)
34.Rxe1 #6 (34.Nb1 5.99)
McDonnell 12 mistakes:
5...Ne7 0.21 (5...0-0 -0.24)
7...Bb6 0.14 (7...d5 -0.45)
8...d6 0.25 (8...d5 -0.58)
12...Qe7 -0.31 (12...d5 -1.03)
15...a5 -0.26 (15...Bd7 -0.79)
17...h6 0.35 (17...Bc6 -0.48)
18...a4 0.49 (18...Bc6 -0.89)
21...Bc6 1.00 (21...Rac8 0.23)
22...Ba5 0.39 (22...Qe6 -0.17)
23...Bxd2 0.30 (23...Qd7 -0.83)
24...Ra5 1.42 (24...Qe6 0.29)
32...Bg6 6.44 (32...Qf6 -3.49) |
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