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|Aug-08-11|| ||JoergWalter: <LIFE MASTER AJ: Again, I repeat ... according to history (verified by Winter) Zukertort was the first to spot 22...Rg2!!> sorry, too. Kindly, give the source / link. Why would Steinitz claim authorship on this combination?|
|Aug-09-11|| ||DrMAL: <JeorgWalter> That sounds more like a more humble (accurate) Steinitz, people with such accomplishments in chess, whether personally abrasive or not, at least tend to give credit where it is due. I mean, Kasparov would often criticize Karpov (e.g., for being too lazy to analyze his games) but he would also refer to him as the genius he was.|
Regarding the Evans Gambit, I have no real idea so it's good information for me to learn. I just base it on Morphy's amazing and creative, extremely accurate play defining overall abilities.
No doubt there was still room for improvement, there always is. I think whatever improvement to be had, Morphy would immediately pick up on and use above others near his time. Many top GMs in history have the same argument regarding Morphy, it seems practically all he knew he mostly invented himself anyway. All while considering chess a hobby rather than some sort of profession, truly amazing to me.
I'm not sure why you are still engaging with ole AJ on a point you are surely right about. I don't see his posts he was one of the first for me to IGNORE but, based on what I saw from him before (mostly the reason why he was ignored), it seems that no matter how wrong he is his ego will never allow himself to admit it...and simply learn something from another. Cheers.
|Aug-09-11|| ||DrMAL: I try to give chess players the benefit of the doubt even if I know their rating. I have learned much from players rated, say 1200, they often have good ideas too, just maybe not as often as stronger players. I do make one assessment though, it seems that weaker players (including ones who achieved a high rating) tend to go into "insult mode" when challenged. Sometimes they simply troll on this site without offering anything to challenge as a pre-made defense. In either case, IGNORE is just a click away!|
|Aug-11-11|| ||JoergWalter: <LIFE MASTER AJ: Again, I repeat ... according to history (verified by Winter) Zukertort was the first to spot 22...Rg2!!> |
THERE IS NO VERIFICATION BY WINTER. IN FACT WINTER ASKS:
<What was the exact chronology of the analytical findings by Steinitz, Zukertort and Bauer in the Paulsen v Morphy game?>
<Chess notes 7120 from June19, 2011>
<As is well known, though not always mentioned by annotators, in his famous win against Louis Paulsen at New York, 1857 Morphy overlooked quicker mates at moves 22 (...Rg2), 23 (...Be4+) and 24 (...Bg2+). The second and third of these are, of course, the same mating line.
It is worth recalling the discussion in such popular books as Chernev’s The Bright Side of Chess (pages 120-122) and The Chess Companion (pages 231-233). In the latter work the discovery of 22...Rg2 was credited to Zukertort, and it was stated that 23...Be4+ was ‘pointed out by Bauer’. Many other books say the same. On the other hand, page 71 of Morphy Chess Masterpieces by F. Reinfeld and A. Soltis (New York, 1974) referred to 22...Rg2 as ‘the beautiful four-move win discovered by Steinitz’. (The annotations were by Reinfeld, having previously appeared on page 327 of the November 1954 Chess Review.)
So, was it Zukertort or Steinitz who first pointed out 22...Rg2, and where exactly did Bauer comment on the game?>
|Oct-12-11|| ||kingmundi: Quoting above Houdini_15a_x64: 29/98 42:52 11,948,461,349|
+4.97 17. ... Qxf3 18.gxf3 Rg6+ 19.Kh1 Bh3 20.Qd3 f5 21.Rd1 Bg2+ 22.Kg1 Bxf3+ 23.Kf1 Bxd1
I think Houdini goes down the wrong path. A human would probably win the queen, and put the bishop back on d3. This keeps whites rook and black bishop pinned in (regardless of what a computer evaluation says). Fire up the computer and put in the following.
18. gxf3 Rg6+ 19. Kh1 Bh3 20. Qd3 f5 21. Rd1 Bg2+ 22. Kg1 Bxf3+ 23. Kf1
Bg2+ 24. Kg1 Be4+ 25. Qg3 Rxg3+ 26. hxg3 Bd3
|Oct-23-11|| ||master of defence: 28.h3 saves white, for example if 28..Rxh3+ 29.Kg2 Rg3+ 30.Kh1 and i don't see a continuation of win for black.|
|Oct-23-11|| ||Steven87: <28.h3 saves white, for example if 28..Rxh3+ 29.Kg2 Rg3+ 30.Kh1 and i don't see a continuation of win for black.>|
I think 28. ... Bg3 keeps the in for Black
|Oct-26-11|| ||master of defence: <I think 28. ... Bg3 keeps the in for Black> And the continuation after this?
I don't see this continuation winner for black. I have played 29.Rxa7 threatening mate ou any other move.|
|Oct-29-11|| ||master of defence: Black missed a fastest win with 23... Be4+ 24. Kf1 Bf5 threatening Bh3# and 25. Qe2 loses for 25... Bh3+ 26. Ke1 Rg1#|
|Mar-01-12|| ||twin phoenix: Thank you Kibitzers <jeorgwalters> and <DrMal> it is for pearls such as you 2 on this game that i actually read the kibitzing!|
|Apr-29-12|| ||Suppin: <28.h3 saves white, for example if 28..Rxh3+ 29.Kg2 Rg3+ 30.Kh1 and i don't see a continuation of win for black.> h3 is not a good move for white in this position and in that variation, Kh1 isn't white's best option. After Kh1 black has a mate in three. 30...Bg1 to prevent the king from taking the rook when it's placed on h2 (If white captures the bishop with his rook then 31...Rh3#) All white can do then is delay the inevitable with 31. Rf2 Rxf2, then capture the pawn on a7 for a small gain in material 32. Rxa7 Rh2#|
|May-17-12|| ||Llawdogg: 17 ... Qxf3 is a rather good move.|
|Jun-22-12|| ||pericles of athens: my goodness what an amazing game! wow. breathtaking.|
|Jul-06-12|| ||theweaponking: Let's see here...
28. h3, Bg1!! - 29. Kxg1 - Rg6+ - 30. Kh1, Rg2 - 31. Rf2, Rgxf2 - 32. Kg1, f6 with a winning endgame for Black.
28. h3, Bg1!! - 29. Rxg1, Rxh3#
28. Rg1, Bxg1 - 29. Kxg1, f6 with a winning endgame for Black.
28. h4, Bxh4! - 29. Rxa7, Bf2+ - 30 . Kg2, Bxa7
|Aug-05-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Paulsen vs Morphy, 1857.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF MORPHY.
Your score: 47 (par = 39)
|Aug-27-12|| ||jschlotz: Can anyone explain why not 17. ...Qxf1+?
I must be missing something but it seems to lead a much quicker checkmate....
|Aug-28-12|| ||DanielBryant: <jscholtz> White can play 18.Qxf1 Re1 19.g3 Bh3 20.Bg2 and there is no mate.|
|Aug-28-12|| ||Cyphelium: <DanielBryant> You are right, there's just this detail: after 18.- xf1+ 19. xf1 e1 20. g3 h3 21. g2 xf1+ 22. xf1 xg2+ 23. xg2 e2, black wins a pawn and is clearly better. So it is probably better to wait with g3 and play 20. d3 (idea e2) first. Then after 20.- f5 21. d2 white can continue with g3 etc. without losing a pawn.|
|Oct-29-12|| ||Conrad93: 9.Be2? Correct move: 9.Bb3. Now the pawn can't be taken: 9...Nxe4 10.Nxe4 Rxe4 Qf3!.|
Another blunder is 12.c3. 12.d3 or 12.Bg4 would have been far better.
These blunders ruin the beauty of the game.
|Nov-02-12|| ||waustad: Oh my, 12 minutes on a critical move 17 before the anvent of chess clocks. Grischuk spends that on whether to push 3.) ... a3 in a Ruy Lopez normally.|
|Nov-02-12|| ||chessgames.com: <Kinghunt: I played the demo of Guess the Move and tried 24...Bg4, which I know to be stronger than the text. Yet Guess the Move claimed it was inferior and gave 0 points. =(>|
24...Bg4 cannot be stronger than the text, because the text (24...Bxg2) is a forced mate in 5.
"Toga" (the computer software that analyzes GTM games) saw that 24...Bg4 is surely but White can stave off mate with ruinous sacrifices (25.Qd3 Bxd1 26.h4, Kh2 etc.) Perhaps it's a bit harsh, but Guess-the-Move strongly penalizes you when you miss a forced mate, regardless of how good the alternatives are.
|Apr-09-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: http://www.lifemasteraj.com/old_af-...|
|Apr-09-13|| ||morfishine: <Conrad93> On your comment: <...These blunders ruin the beauty of the game> I'd have to agree for the most part. Another weak move 16.Ra2 was labeled 'silly' by Steinitz. Rarely have we seen annotators, then or now, use the word 'silly'|
|Apr-09-13|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I agree that Paulsen's play was of poor quality, (compared to modern times); but Morphy's play was simply sublime. To the players - of that time - Morphy was making conbinations (and beating people) in such a way that no one had ever seen before, his tactics were (for the most part) razor sharp.|
|May-14-13|| ||Tigranny: This is my favorite game of chess ever. Amazing queen sac by Paul Morphy.|
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