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Charles Maurian
  
Number of games in database: 81
Years covered: 1854 to 1883
Overall record: +38 -35 =8 (51.9%)*
   * Overall winning percentage = (wins+draws/2) / total games.

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CHARLES MAURIAN
(born May-21-1838, died Dec-02-1912, 74 years old) United States of America

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Charles Amédée de Maurian was born on May 21, 1838. He was the closest and life-long friend of Paul Morphy. They attended Spring Hill College in Mobile, Alabama together where Paul Morphy taught Maurian how to play chess in 1853-54. In 1854, he defeated Paul Morphy in a match in New Orleans (+6-5=1), but at various piece odds. In 1858, he lost a match to Paul Morphy (+1-2=0). From 1858 to 1860, Maurian edited the chess column in the New Orleans "Delta". In October, 1862, Maurian and Paul Morphy sailed to Cuba on a Spanish steamboat, with the ultimate destination of Paris in 1863. In 1869, he lost a match to Paul Morphy (+2-6=0) at knight odds. All together, there are 75 known games between Maurian and Paul Morphy. From 1883 to 1890, he co-edited the chess column in the "Times-Democrat". He moved to Paris in 1890.

 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 81  PGN Download
Game  ResultMoves YearEvent/LocaleOpening
1. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0291854New Orleans000 Chess variants
2. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1191854New Orleans000 Chess variants
3. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1261854New Orleans000 Chess variants
4. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1151854New Orleans000 Chess variants
5. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1391854New Orleans000 Chess variants
6. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0321854New Orleans000 Chess variants
7. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0161854New Orleans000 Chess variants
8. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0251854New Orleans000 Chess variants
9. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0271854New Orleans000 Chess variants
10. Morphy vs Maurian ½-½461854New Orleans000 Chess variants
11. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1291854New Orleans000 Chess variants
12. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1271854New Orleans000 Chess variants
13. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1421855Rook Odds000 Chess variants
14. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1121855New Orleans (?)000 Chess variants
15. Morphy vs Maurian ½-½301855New Orleans000 Chess variants
16. Maurian vs Morphy 1-0521856New Orleans000 Chess variants
17. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0171857New Orleans000 Chess variants
18. Maurian vs Morphy 0-1281857New Orleans000 Chess variants
19. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1441858New Orleans000 Chess variants
20. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1531858New Orleans USA000 Chess variants
21. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0261858New Orleans000 Chess variants
22. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0261858New Orleans000 Chess variants
23. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1351858New Orleans USA000 Chess variants
24. Morphy vs Maurian 0-1771861New Orleans USA000 Chess variants
25. Morphy vs Maurian 1-0361863Paris000 Chess variants
 page 1 of 4; games 1-25 of 81  PGN Download
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Feb-05-12  King Sacrificer: Wow.. I didn't know there are CG members who can beat Morphy.
Feb-05-12
Premium Chessgames Member
  alexmagnus: <Could YOU beat Morphy if he was down a knight?>

Not as big deal as some think. Recently they did an experiment, letting players rated 1600-1900 (one 1600, one 1700 one 1800 and one 1900) play two games against a GM with piece odds (rapid games, with Gustafsson as GM) - the 1600 and 1700 drew, the 1800 lost and the 1900 won.

Feb-05-12
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  JointheArmy: lol @ recently did experiments.

ICC host odds games every other week and mid tier GM's routinely crush players (1800-2000 USCF) with knight odds.

Feb-05-12
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  alexmagnus: <ICC host odds games every other week and mid tier GM's routinely crush players (1800-2000 USCF) with knight odds.>

At which time control?

From the experiment I mentioned, I can show the games.

Feb-05-12  Blunderdome: <I have read that Tigran Petrosian gave knight odds to an IM.>

And won? I mean, I could give Carlsen a knight. I'd just lose quicker.

Feb-05-12
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  alexmagnus: In blitz, to with with Knight odds you don't need a big rating difference. Heck, even Queen odds is playabnle at 2000 vs 1500 level in Blitz. But in rapids and tournament games already a Knight is too much to handle, for a GM vs an amateur.
Feb-05-12
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  alexmagnus: <to with with Knight odds>

To <win> with Knight odds was meant of course.

Feb-11-12  Lambda: I can beat Fruit at knight odds. But playing a GM would probably be different; they'd understand the situation and complicate matters, while the computer will happily exchange down to an endgame if it can gain a few centipawns doing so.

<Wow.. I didn't know there are CG members who can beat Morphy.>

CG has some strong GMs amongst its membership. It's not just amateurs here.

May-10-13  Abdel Irada: <Keypusher: I wonder what the effect of time odds would be.>

Problematical. It depends on many factors. Chief among them: How comfortable are the respective players with time pressure and the psychological pressures of accepting odds?

Kasparov is quite strong in blitz, so I would expect him to have little trouble offering odds to virtually anyone, but this does not apply equally to all the strongest GMs.

For the other player, meanwhile, things are not so easy either. In San Francisco in 1999, I watched a solid 2200 player taking the odds, first, of five minutes to one, and later, of one minute to ten seconds, in a long series of games played over the course of several months. The odds-giver was a Filipino 2500 named Omar, and he won every game.

The odds-taker's quandary: how to manage his time advantage. If he moves slowly so as to make the best use of it, his opponent can think on his time. If he tries to stop this by moving fast, his advantage becomes meaningless.

(On the other hand, not everyone can match Omar's feat of completing ten moves in one second. That intimidated *me*, and I wasn't across the board from him.)

May-21-16
Premium Chessgames Member
  TheFocus: Happy birthday, Morphy's Mate.
Jul-30-16  Atking: A friend of mine live in Paris I would know in which cemetery is Maurian' tomb. Does someone know?
May-29-17
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: Are their any chess experts who could possibly give a tournament rating for this guy? How strong was he? He lived quite a long time after Paul died. Did he ever write details on Morphys life which he kept silent while Paul was alive? Thanks in advance!!
May-29-17  Paarhufer: http://www.edochess.ca/players/p537...
May-29-17  morfishine: <Joshka> Chessmetrics http://www.chessmetrics.com/cm/ has a section devoted to calculating ratings for players who played before ratings came about. I think Morphy came in around 2700, Anderssen 2550, Alekhine maybe 2670 or thereabouts

*****

Jan-22-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Sally Simpson: Charles Maurian was one of those who carried Morphy's coffin.

"At 5 o’clock the coffin was carried down by Edward Morphy, Edmond Morphy, Leonce Percy, Henry Percy, Edgar Hincks and Charles Maurian, his life long companion and former adversary over the chess board."

https://www.chessmarginalia.com/the...

Jan-22-18  john barleycorn: <Sally Simpson: Charles Maurian was one of those who carried Morphy's coffin. ...>

Good to know

Mar-20-18  JPi: Would anyone know if Charles Maurian had a child?
Mar-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  HeMateMe: Check the Maurian Chronicles?
Mar-20-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  moronovich: He is certainly one of the candidates.
Mar-25-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Calli: <JPi: Would anyone know if Charles Maurian had a child?> Can't be totally sure, but it appears not. Maurian's obituary says he married in 1862, but it doesn't mention any children.
Jun-14-18  sorrowstealer: Joshka: Are their any chess experts who could possibly give a tournament rating for this guy? 1500?cause that's exactly my strength.
Jun-15-18  JPi: Thanks <Calli>!
Jul-04-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: After moving to Europe in 1890, was he still employed as a chess column writer? Did he ever write about Paul during his last 22 years??
Jul-04-18
Premium Chessgames Member
  Joshka: <Calli> alright married in 1862!! His wife?? Amazing how scarce any info is about this guy, and of course his friend Paul as well. The last 20 years of Paul's life and the last 22 years of Maurians life are just a non-excistant blur??
Aug-06-19  jinkinson: Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charl...
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