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|May-29-15|| ||Boomie: <SBC>
Nice to see you again, Sarah. And at the Morphy page, of course...heh.
I found a reference to the Morphy quote at http://enq.translatum.gr/wiki/Paul_....
Unfortunately, the best they can do is say it is attributed to him.
|May-30-15|| ||SBC: <Boomie>
It has the same lack of credibility as the Checkers is for Tramps quote. People get these from sites and pass them around like cheap cigars at a wedding, but no one ever seems to look for actual sources. I've never come across either one in my own Morphy Gleanings.
|May-30-15|| ||Boomie: <SBC>
<Checkers is for Tramps>. That one just doesn't sound like something Morphy would say. As far as I know, he was a man of few words. And when he did speak, he was all business. He seemed to appreciate humor in others but apparently it wasn't a part of his own character.
<cheap cigars at a wedding> Ah ha ha ha...good one. <thefocus> has been posting lots of quotes all over the site. Though it would be nice if they were referenced, I think it's better this way than not having them at all. They can arouse interest in chess history. And we have to go searching for citations, which is good exercise.
|May-30-15|| ||TheFocus: <Boomie> <SBC>
<Checkers is for Tramps>|
<That one just doesn't sound like something Morphy would say.>
No, it doesn't. My Spidey-sense was tingling about this one. I felt it was wrong, but saw it had been attributed to him elsewhere, so just went with it.
I would be very surprised if someone found an actual citation or source for this one.
|May-30-15|| ||TheFocus: Didn't most people refer to checkers as "draughts" in his day?|
|May-30-15|| ||Boomie: Boomie: <TheFocus: Didn't most people refer to checkers as "draughts" in his day?>
Good point. I'm not sure when the term "checkers" entered the lexicon.|
BTW - <SBC>, Sarah, nee <Batgirl> has assembled a great collection of Morphyana at http://www.edochess.ca/batgirl/.
|May-30-15|| ||jnpope: Checkers, chequers and draughts were all terms used before the birth of Paul Morphy.|
I suspect the tramps quote will be found in the New York Clipper checker column (I'll keep an eye open for it), but a cursory check of Google books finds that quote in Yate's Checker Player (1905), page 14.
|May-30-15|| ||TheFocus: Whoa!!!
Thank you Mr. Pope for your input!
|May-31-15|| ||SBC: Where did Morphy say it is the question.|
|May-31-15|| ||SBC: Well, I've never come across certain quotes attributed to Morphy in any reliable source material. I can't imagine Morphy even bringing up checkers or draughts. Other than his Ledger column, Morphy isn't recorded with saying much about chess at all (or about anything else for that matter). I once tried finding the 'let your pieces help you,' in his chess column but came up empty-handed. It sounds more like what someone might imagine Morphy saying rather that something Morphy would have actually said. |
<Offramp> Arnold Shoenberg is actually Harold C. Shonberg, long time art critic for the NY Times who wrote on music and chess. I read that book 20 years ago, but the poem doesn't ring a bell. Was it James Russell Lowell's poem from the Revere House banquet? There were a few poems written about Morphy.
|May-31-15|| ||SBC: Here's a snippet of Lowell's impossibly, rather long and hard-to-digest poem:|
"And chiefly our guest, who has show that the wreath,
Need not turn, as so often, the head underneath;
That apoison of Jealousy, meanness and quarrel,
Is not always distilled from the leaves of the laurel.
I give you the man who can think out and dare,
The bloodless Marengos on twelve inches square,
Yet so modest, the conquered all feel that the meet,
With a Morphy, and not morty-fying defeat."
James Russell Lowell, Revere House, Boston. May 31, 1859.
|Jun-22-15|| ||Penguincw: Happy Birthday to my favourite 19th century player, Paul Morphy.|
|Jun-22-15|| ||DrKurtPhart: This particular asteroid hit Europe on 22nd of June 1858. It was a Tuesday.
It also happened to be just twenty-one years old.
It was initially expected to collide with and destroy Planet Staunton but due to wobbly and unpredictable orbit patterns of Planet Staunton the asteroid had to be content with only destroying Planet Loewenthal, Planet Harrwitz and Planet Anderssen and all other sundry stars around.End.
|Jun-22-15|| ||RookFile: Paul Morphy learns the rules of the game, then beats the best of America, before travelling to Europe and beating all comers. He gives a simul to several of the world's top 10 and wins it. If there was a greater talent in chess, I don't know who that was.|
|Jun-22-15|| ||ketchuplover: Top ten simul? Never heard of that before. I think Kasparov & Fischer are both a tiny bit better than him.|
That being said Morphy rules!
|Jun-22-15|| ||Jambow: Player of the century is what he was.|
|Jun-22-15|| ||Sally Simpson: Thank you Paul Morphy for everything you gave to Chess. |
Your games are still essential to any up and coming player, without knowledge of them they leave huge gaps in their development as players and of course they help one to fall in love with the game.
Probably been mentioned before but I've always found it a strange coincidence that Howard Staunton died on Morphy's Birthday.
Edward Winter too is chasing after the Morphy & Checkers quote.
C.N. 4425 quoted from page 14 of R.D. Yates Checker Player by W.T. Call (New York, 1905):
‘Paul Morphy, the chess genius, sought to obtain a glimpse into the scientific depths of checkers without too much trouble, but never succeeded in getting within sight of anything under the surface of the game. When he went to England he asked Thomas Lear, who played both checkers and chess, to explain to him “wherein the beauty of draughts playing lay”. On another occasion, half in jest, half in earnest, the great chess master said to a New York player, “Checkers is for tramps”.’
Wanted: substantiation of the purported remark by Morphy.
He kicks of his piece with this statement.
"This latest selection from Chess Notes provides a stark warning against gullible quotation of alleged remarks of the old masters, including Alekhine, Nimzowitsch and Tartakower.
There may be no area of chess literature with more dark corners or where the risk of error is greater.
Many familiar quotes are, at best, dubious and, at present, lack authentification, can any reader help?"
|Jun-27-15|| ||thomastonk: Steinitz wrote in 1885: "It is a striking feature in Morphy's match play, that he shows greater knowledge of the openings than any of his opponents, but it is still more curious that he did not introduce a single innovation in the early part of the game."|
Morphy experts: is this true?
PS: Steinitz' essay can be found in "Paul Morphy and the Evolution of Chess Theory" by Macon Shibut beginning on page 301. It is mostly readable for free at Google books.
|Jun-27-15|| ||Gregor Samsa Mendel: I'm no expert on Morphy, but I have heard of this:
|Jun-27-15|| ||thomastonk: <Gregor Samsa Mendel> Thank you! But 3... a6 in the Ruy Lopez is much older and was acknowledged before. Von der Lasa attributes it in the first edition of the Handbuch (1843) to the "Anonymous Modenese", i.e. Domenico Ercole del Rio, and claims that it can be played without any disadvantage.|
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