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| Oct-21-11 | | Gogia: would 13.cxd4 be better for white? |
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| Oct-21-11 | | aliejin: "Another of his suspect games, I'd say."
Another of his brilliant games
I'd say ! |
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| Oct-21-11 | | erniecohen: <Alphastar/Euwe/Muhring After 13. cxd4 Qxc1+ 14. Ke2 Qxh1 white still would've been alive, however black would still have the best game: ... 2) 15. dxe5 dxe5 16. Qd5+ Bd6 17. Qf7+ Kc8 18. Qxg7 Rf8 19. Qg3 Kb8 and the white position won't hold much longer (20. Qh3 Rg8)> 16. d5+ is the mistake here. 16. ♕xa7  |
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| Oct-21-11 | | erniecohen: <LIFE Master AJ: 8...Be6; looks like a possible improvement for Black. However, I like the sacrifice, its very flashy and typical of the young Alekhine> 8...♗e6 is not just a possible improvement for Black; it's an outright win (9. ♕xb7 ♖b8). The sacrifice, which should have resulted in a draw, was a blunder, plain and simple. |
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| Oct-21-11 | | erniecohen: Moreover, because he had already thrown away the forced win, 9...♔d7 is objectively no better than 9...♖c8 (e.g. 10. ♕xc6+ ♗d7 11. ♕b7 ♕g6 12. ♖g1 ♕h6 13. h3 ♗e7 14. ♕d5 c6 15. ♕c4 ♗e6 16. ♕e2 0-0 ) |
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| Oct-21-11 | | kevin86: When a queen goes on vacation,she is both useless and subject to attack. In this case,Alekhine uses that advantage to gain the decisive tempo to mate. |
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| Oct-21-11 | | Calli: Added to Game Collection: Meine Besten Gefälschten Partien See section 3 for an explanation of why some question the authenticity of this game. |
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| Oct-21-11 | | erniecohen: <kevin86> Except that in this case, the tempo wasn't decisive (see above). |
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| Oct-21-11 | | theodor: <<Gogia>: would 13.cxd4 be better for white?> I agree |
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| Oct-21-11 | | theodor: <1) 15. d5 Qxh2+ 16. Kd3 Qg1 17. Qc6+ Kd8 (Alekhine) and white is lost.> 18. Nb5?! |
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| Oct-21-11 | | erniecohen: <theodor> I don't think your suggested move is legal. But the analysis is nonsense - the position is again even. |
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| Oct-21-11 | | DarthStapler: @Albertan: Doesn't you first line just transpose to the game continuation? |
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| Dec-29-11 | | The Diamond: <Darth> - I thought the same thing, that Albertan's suggested line of Hiarcs simply transposes. However, the difference, I think, is that Hiarcs' line of having the knight take on f7 first doesn't allow the reply 8. ... Be6. |
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| Feb-17-12 | | tenorhighc: A wildly exciting game from the beginning! |
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| May-12-15 | | hadi706: حریف آلخین یک غیر حرفه ای بوده ولیبازی جالبیه |
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| May-21-16 | | randomo: I was just white in an ICC blitz game that copied this game through 6. ... Nh6. I remembered that we were following an Alekhine game through move 5; didn't recall his opponent also playing 6. Ng5. Anyway, I proceeded with 7. Qxb7, which Alekhine said would give Black sufficient compensation after Rb8. Went on to win a typical 3-minute tacticsfest. (Good thing I knew my history - otherwise, I might have gone into something tempting but bad like 6. Bxf7+.) |
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| May-22-16 | | Inspirus18: Alekhine gave in his comments 13.cxd4 Qxc1+ 14.Ke2 Qxh1 15.d5 Qxh2+ 16.Kd3 Qg1! 17.Qc6+ Kd8 as better for black, yet modern computers claim that 18.Qa8+ Ke7 (d7) 19.Qc6 would actually force a draw, by repeating moves. |
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| Dec-06-16 | | wilfredo munoz: This is one of those games which proves that tactics is best served hot, especially against someone who is in deep slumber. |
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| Dec-06-16 | | wilfredo munoz: Has anyone come up with a delaying move like 19 Rf1 as shown? Black to move:
click for larger view |
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| Dec-19-16 | | RKnight: <Alphastar> quoting Euwe says: "13. d3? This loses immediately. After 13. cxd4 Qxc1+ 14. Ke2 Qxh1 white still would've been alive, however black would still have the best game: 1) 15. d5 Qxh2+ 16. Kd3 Qg1 17. Qc6+ Kd8 (Alekhine) and white is lost. 2) 15. dxe5 dxe5 16. Qd5+ Bd6 17. Qf7+ Kc8 18. Qxg7 Rf8 19. Qg3 Kb8 and the white position won't hold much longer (20. Qh3 Rg8)" However. it seems to me that the simple 15. Qxa7 Qxh2+, 16. Kd3 Qf2, 17. Qa4+ Kd1, 18. de Qxf3+, 19. Kc2 de. 20 Nc3 and related lines starting with 15. Qxa7 lead to rough equality, negating the effects of the earlier Alekhine fireworks, inspired as they were. |
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| Nov-27-20 | | sea7kenp: I think 7 d4 would have been better for White. Black might Castle Queen to protect his b Pawn and remove the Mate Threat from the f7 Pawn Pressure. |
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| Jul-18-22 | | Alekchess: 13)----cxd4! draws with the best play on both sides.
13)----d3?? leads to the decisive Qxf3! O-1 |
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| Jul-18-22 | | Alekchess: Also, why 15) Qxh8? which leads to an immediate mate. Rather why not 15) Nd2! which leads to a formidable resistance, that is if both parties are of equal ability and it remains to be seen if black can win against a master level player with the position provided. |
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Mar-03-24
 | | Korora: The January 1940 issue of Chess Review published a commentary on this game with the imagery of a boxing match. For example: <9. QxKtP K-Q2!
The champ seems to reel and stagger helplessly. It's an old gag 'cuz a blind man can see he ain't glassy eyed a-tall--but Rodzinsky wades in.> |
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Nov-09-24
 | | Sally Simpson: Hi Korora,
<The January 1940 issue of Chess Review> page 9.Although it is a sketch the names of the players are given and they have tweaked it a little see. S Oganesian vs Petrosian, 1946 |
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