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Adolf Anderssen vs Gustav Richard Neumann
"Brains in Berlin" (game of the day Oct-23-2018)
Berlin (1866), Berlin GER
King's Gambit: Accepted. Greco Gambit (C38)  ·  0-1
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Aug-14-03  Kenneth Sterling: If you are looking for a player from this period to play a computer, your man is Staunton.
May-24-04  Whitehat1963: What a game! How often do you see someone promote a pawn to a queen and lose with both queens on the board?
May-24-04  notsodeepthought: Beautiful game, though I wonder if white can salvage a draw with 35 Qa4+ - the black king cannot move to white's sixth rank, otherwise Qa6+ trades queens and wins the rook on e2. The same goes for 35 ... Qc6. So black has to play 35 ... Kc7 followed by Qa5+ Kd7 36 Qa4+ etc. In this line 36 ... Kc6 seems to lose to 37 Qa6+ Q:a6 38 R:a6+ K:b7 39 Ra7+ followed by 40 K:e2. Then again, I'm probably missing something, since this is a famous game, so I have to assume every possible lifeline for white must have been analyzed (and rejected).
Jun-19-05  aw1988: <Sneaky> Junior finds Rxd4 instantly. Not a good start. :(
Nov-19-11  bunbun: pawn got pwned
Jun-12-12
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  Honza Cervenka: <notsodeepthought: Beautiful game, though I wonder if white can salvage a draw with 35 Qa4+ - the black king cannot move to white's sixth rank, otherwise Qa6+ trades queens and wins the rook on e2. The same goes for 35 ... Qc6. So black has to play 35 ... Kc7 followed by Qa5+ Kd7 36 Qa4+ etc. In this line 36 ... Kc6 seems to lose to 37 Qa6+ Q:a6 38 R:a6+ K:b7 39 Ra7+ followed by 40 K:e2. Then again, I'm probably missing something, since this is a famous game, so I have to assume every possible lifeline for white must have been analyzed (and rejected).>

Yes, 35.Qa4+! could have saved white here but only thanks to Neumann's imprecise 32...Qc4. Instead of that after 32...Re1+! 33.Rxe1 Qc4+ 34.Re2 axb6 35.Bxb6 Rd2 black wins easily, as white has nothing better to stop threatening mate than 36.Qa7+ (36.Qe8+ Bd8 ) 36...Kc8 37.Qc7+ (37.Qa8+ Kd7 38.Qb7+ Ke8! 39.Qa8 Kf7 etc., or 38.Qa4+ Ke6 ) 37...Qxc7 38.Bxc7 Rd1+ 39.Re1 Rxe1+ 40.Kxe1 Kxc7 41.hxg5 Bxb4+ 42.Ke2 hxg5 with hopeless ending.

Feb-19-14  Ziryab: 32...Qc4 looks brilliant until subjected to objective silicon analysis. But, it was probably not in Anderssen's nature to find the draw. Can anyone cite an instance where he bailed from a difficult position with a repetition? Surely the lure of an attack with two queens made it prohibitive for his mind to contemplate a draw.
Oct-23-14  TheBish: I don't understand why Black played 26...Qc7 instead of 26...Bxc4!. Then 27. Qxc4?? loses quickly to 27...Qd2+ 28. Kf1 Qd1+ 29. Rxd1 Rxd1#, but after the better 27. Qxa7+ Kc8 28. Qa8+ Kd7 (forced - not 28...Kc7?? 29. Ra7# or 28...Qb8?? 29. Qc6+ Qc7 30. Ra8#) 29. Qa4+ b5 30. Qc2 Ke8, Black is winning even more convincingly than in the game. It seems that Neumann was concerned with guarding a7 (26...Qc7), but not at all necessary here.
Oct-23-14  TheBish: Regarding my last note: It's possible that Neumann was concerned (after 26...Bxc4! 27. Qxa7+ Kc8 28. Qa8+ Kd7) with 29. Qf3, threatening both Qxg4 and Rd1, pinning queen to king. But after 29...Ke8! 30. Qxg4?, Black mates with 30...Qd2+ 31. Kf1 Qd1+! 32. Rxd1 Rxd1+ 33. Kf2 Bc5+ 34. Kf3 (or 34. Nd4 Rf1#) Bd5#. Instead of 30. Qxg4?, Rybka likes the very computer-like 30. Bd4 Qe6 31. 0-0 exd4, with an easy win for Black. It's quite possible that Neumann missed the mate in this variation, or just wanted to avoid complications, knowing that he had a big plus as he played it.
Oct-23-18
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  HeMateMe: The Gustav Line!

<https://www.google.com/search?sourc...>

I used to play this against my Fidelity computer (way) back in the day. for some reason it liked to play this line with white. I certainly didn't get positions as dynamic as the one above.

Oct-23-18
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  andrewjsacks: Rockin' 19th century game, and not without its humor.
Oct-23-18
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  OrangeTulip: What about castling long for white at move 14?
Oct-23-18
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  profK: Doesn't black effectively transform into a Fischer defence against the KGA?
Oct-23-18  dTal: What about 34. Qc7+ Qxc7 35. bxc7 Kxc7 36. Kxe2

Doesn't that give White a chance?

Oct-23-18
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  keypusher: <dTal>

Black would play 35....Rdd2 in that line, surely.

Oct-23-18  Ironmanth: Jeez Louise! Never seen this; can't believe that to begin with. Amazing game-huge tensions. What a classic; thanks chessgames!
Oct-23-18
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  thegoodanarchist: My brain's been battered,
splattered all over
Manhattan.

Shadoobbie...

Oct-23-18
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  thegoodanarchist: <OrangeTulip: What about castling long for white at move 14?>

I kept waiting for White to castle queenside.

And I waited... and waited... and waited... Ugh, AA must accept responsibility for his king's lack of safety.

However, it has been said that only sissies castle. AA was a real man, and he took a real defeat.

Oct-23-18  scormus: <only sissies castle> Dead right! Well dead right in this type of position, how would he be able to attack on the a-file after 14 O-O-O anyway?

According to my engine, W would still be in the game after 35 Qa4+! But what player wouldn't go b8Q+ given the chance. Even though it loses

Oct-23-18
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  OrangeTulip: A nice feature of this game of the day is that the chess icon looses! How many gotds did we have seen starring Fischer or Kasparov losing the game!?
Oct-23-18
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  thegoodanarchist: < OrangeTulip: A nice feature of this game of the day is that the chess icon looses! How many gotds did we have seen starring Fischer or Kasparov losing the game!?>

Considering there were FIVE Karpov-Kasparov WC matches, I'd say "Not enough Kasparov losses".

Not because Kasparov was not a chess god, but because Karpov WAS one too.

The situation with Fischer is not the same, as he did not linger long enough for the rest of the world to catch up.

Karpov was more sporting in that respect, as was Kasparov.

Oct-23-18  cormier: Analysis by Houdini 4

4...g4 5.Ne5 Qh4+ 6.Kf1 Nh6 7.Nc3 Bg7 8.d4 d6 9.Nd5 0-0 10.Nd3 f3 11.c3 Be6 12.Bb3 Bxd5 13.Bxd5 c6 14.Bb3 d5 15.e5 Nf5 16.gxf3 Ng3+ 17.Kg1 Nxh1 18.fxg4 Ng3 19.hxg3 Qxg3+ 20.Kf1 f5 21.g5 f4 22.c4 Qh3+ 23.Ke1 = / + (-0.62) Depth: 21

Oct-24-18  cormier:


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Analysis by Houdini 4
<<<<4.h4> g4> 5.Ne5> Qe7> 6.d4 d6 7.Nxg4 Qxe4+ 8.Qe2 Qe7 9.Qxe7+ Bxe7 10.Nf2 Nc6 11.c3 Nf6 12.Be2 Be6 13.Bxf4 Rg8 14.Bf3 Bd5 15.Nd2 Bxf3 16.gxf3 Nd5 17.Nd3 Rg2 18.0-0-0 0-0-0 19.Bg5 f6 20.Bh6 Rdg8 21.Rde1 b5 22.Nf4 Nxf4 23.Bxf4 Kb7 24.Kc2 = / + (-0.32) Depth: 29)

Oct-24-18  cormier: that was (depth 29 dpa)
Oct-24-18
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  OrangeTulip: <thegoodanarchist> fully agree with you about Karpov. I am trying to see a pattern is the games of the day. Never see a loss by Fischer. Is it because he hardly lost or because CGs unconsciencely pleases the chess fans?
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