Oct-24-02
 | | Honza Cervenka: Magnificent game! |
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Oct-25-02
 | | drukenknight: This Neumann guy could really play. It would have been neat to see this guy play Fritz. |
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Oct-26-02
| | pawntificator: Fritz would crush these guys tactically. |
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Oct-29-02
| | Honza Cervenka: Do you think that Fritz would crush black tactically in position after 32...Qc4? I don't think so. |
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Oct-30-02
| | pawntificator: Well of course not after black had reached that position. But I can't believe Fritz would have gotten himself into that mess. But in the position after 1...e7 I bet Fritz could have taken either side and won. And while we are discussing questions that can't ever be answered, what do you suppose caused the existence of the universe? I think it was God. Anyone else? heh heh |
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Oct-30-02
| | Honza Cervenka: Did you analyse this game with Fritz? Try to refute Neumann's play after his 6th move. He had an advantage from the opening (I think this game is theoretically very important for variation with 4.Bc4) and I don't see any serious mistake in his play. Of course, he could sometimes choose other moves as well as Anderssen but I think that any alternative move of white would not change anything on basic evaluation of position as better for black. |
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| Oct-30-02 | | bishop: Honza, I agree with your assesment of position. White has trouble developing normally (the pawn on f4!) and his center pawns seem more a liability than a threat. |
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Oct-30-02
| | pawntificator: No... I don't even have Fritz. I simply didn't think these guys back in 1866 could handle that sort of play. |
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Oct-30-02
 | | Sneaky: Some of the most beautiful moves in chess are not unearthed by computers, or at least not very easily. Would Fritz play ...Be6!! as in Fischer's Game of the Century? Would Fritz play Rad1!! as in the Evergreen game? Would Fritz play Rxd4!! like Kasparov did against Topalov? We chess players get excited when GMs play moves that seemingly violate logic, the same kind of logic that computers live and die by. So what's my point... I'm just saying that while chess has progressed a lot in 150 years, it's hard to find tactical geniuses on the order of Adolf Anderssen even today, Fritz notwithstanding. |
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Oct-30-02
| | pawntificator: Yeah, computers ruin chess...I retract all of my statements. Long live the illogic of chess! |
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| Aug-14-03 | | kj45345: I agree with pawn that fritz would beat these guys b/c in this time almost every player loved to attack and would hardly ever defend. So when fritz started playing defensive moves i doubt they would handle it very well but who know they are GMs.(by the way the Evergreengame was played by the same guy who was white in this game). |
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| Aug-14-03 | | Kenneth Sterling: If you are looking for a player from this period to play a computer, your man is Staunton. |
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May-24-04
 | | Whitehat1963: What a game! How often do you see someone promote a pawn to a queen and lose with both queens on the board? |
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May-24-04
| | notsodeepthought: Beautiful game, though I wonder if white can salvage a draw with 35 Qa4+ - the black king cannot move to white's sixth rank, otherwise Qa6+ trades queens and wins the rook on e2. The same goes for 35 ... Qc6. So black has to play 35 ... Kc7 followed by Qa5+ Kd7 36 Qa4+ etc. In this line 36 ... Kc6 seems to lose to 37 Qa6+ Q:a6 38 R:a6+ K:b7 39 Ra7+ followed by 40 K:e2. Then again, I'm probably missing something, since this is a famous game, so I have to assume every possible lifeline for white must have been analyzed (and rejected). |
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Jun-19-05
| | aw1988: <Sneaky> Junior finds Rxd4 instantly. Not a good start. :( |
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| Nov-19-11 | | bunbun: pawn got pwned |
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Jun-12-12
| | Honza Cervenka: <notsodeepthought: Beautiful game, though I wonder if white can salvage a draw with 35 Qa4+ - the black king cannot move to white's sixth rank, otherwise Qa6+ trades queens and wins the rook on e2. The same goes for 35 ... Qc6. So black has to play 35 ... Kc7 followed by Qa5+ Kd7 36 Qa4+ etc. In this line 36 ... Kc6 seems to lose to 37 Qa6+ Q:a6 38 R:a6+ K:b7 39 Ra7+ followed by 40 K:e2. Then again, I'm probably missing something, since this is a famous game, so I have to assume every possible lifeline for white must have been analyzed (and rejected).> Yes, 35.Qa4+! could have saved white here but only thanks to Neumann's imprecise 32...Qc4. Instead of that after 32...Re1+! 33.Rxe1 Qc4+ 34.Re2 axb6 35.Bxb6 Rd2 black wins easily, as white has nothing better to stop threatening mate than 36.Qa7+ (36.Qe8+ Bd8  ) 36...Kc8 37.Qc7+ (37.Qa8+ Kd7 38.Qb7+ Ke8! 39.Qa8 Kf7 etc., or 38.Qa4+ Ke6 ) 37...Qxc7 38.Bxc7 Rd1+ 39.Re1 Rxe1+ 40.Kxe1 Kxc7 41.hxg5 Bxb4+ 42.Ke2 hxg5 with hopeless ending. |
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