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Oleg Romanishin vs Yuri Balashov
47th USSR Championship (1979), Minsk BLR, rd 1, Nov-29
Sicilian Defense: Paulsen Variation (B46)  ·  0-1
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Jan-20-07  LoveThatJoker: 25. Bf4 is strong actually, Attica.

Good find.

LTJ

Jan-20-07
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  dzechiel: I looked at this for serveral minutes earlier in the evening without coming up with anything concrete.

I come back a couple of hours later, and immediately I see 24...d4 and 25...Nf3+ as a powerful attack.

Of course, I couldn't see every move in the rest of the game, but it was easy enough to get started.

Jan-20-07  Fisheremon: <attica: I thought of 24. .. d4, but I could not figure out how black would win after 25. Bf4. I still can't see it.><LoveThatJoker: 25. Bf4 is strong actually, Attica. Good find.> Here's the winning line 25...Qc6 26.Rf2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 Bg7 28.Qa2 Rae8 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.cxd4 Re1+ 31.Kh2 Rxf4 32.Rxf4 Qd6 33.Qf2 Ra1 34.Nc5 g5
Jan-20-07  Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker: <Fisheremon: <attica: I thought of 24. .. d4, but I could not figure out how black would win after 25. Bf4. I still can't see it.><LoveThatJoker: 25. Bf4 is strong actually, Attica. Good find.> Here's the winning line 25...Qc6 26.Rf2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 Bg7 28.Qa2 Rae8 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.cxd4 Re1+ 31.Kh2 Rxf4 32.Rxf4 Qd6 33.Qf2 Ra1 34.Nc5 g5>

Not this time man. I analyzed the 25...Qc6 line ages ago.

25. Qc6 Qa2 and at no point whatsoever should Black give up the exchange without just cause. Your line is not winning. It is losing.
LTJ>
Yes, in that line 25...Qc6 26.Qa2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 dxc3 28.Nc5 a5 29.Nxb7 axb5 ( )

Jan-20-07  ianD: Saw it as far as 31...Qg3+.
not sure that anyone could analysis the throught to the end from the initial possition.

3.5/5 so far this week?

Jan-20-07  ianD: In the final position white is either mated or loses his Q do a discovered check.
Jan-20-07  tallinn: <LTJ: 25...Qc6 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 bxc3 (I was prefering 27...a5! at once) 28. Nc5 a5 27. Nxb7 axb4 28. Qd5!>

but after Qxd5 Rxd5 b3 black has two connected passed pawns on third row i.e. worth a rook! That position is not defendable by white.

Jan-20-07  LoveThatJoker: <Fisheremon: <attica: I thought of 24. .. d4, but I could not figure out how black would win after 25. Bf4. I still can't see it.><LoveThatJoker: 25. Bf4 is strong actually, Attica. Good find.> Here's the winning line 25...Qc6 26.Rf2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 Bg7 28.Qa2 Rae8 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.cxd4 Re1+ 31.Kh2 Rxf4 32.Rxf4 Qd6 33.Qf2 Ra1 34.Nc5 g5> Not this time man. I analyzed the 25...Qc6 line ages ago. 25...Qc6 26. Qa2! and at no point whatsoever should Black give up the exchange without just cause. Your line is not winning. It is losing.

LTJ

And if you don't believe me, let's use your innacurate template here:

25...Qc6 26. Qa2! <Nxd3> 27. Rxd3 <Bg7> 28. Rd1 <Rae8?> 29. Nc5

Any questions?

Also keep in mind that at best after 26. Qa2! what Black can hope for is a pawn or so

The line you have given is decent but with best play White can draw.

25...Qc6 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 dxc3 (I was prefering 27...a5! at once) 28. Nc5 a5 27. Nxb7 axb4 28. Qb3! <CORRECTION>

White has a defensible position.

LTJ

Jan-20-07  LoveThatJoker: <tallinn: but after Qxd5 Rxd5 b3 black has two connected passed pawns on third row i.e. worth a rook! That position is not defendable by white.> Yes Tallinn, absolutely correct. I have been trying to find a defence for the better part of an hour now and there is nothing adequate in that line. Therefore White should play:

25...Qc6 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 bxc3 (I was prefering 27...a5! at once) 28. Nc5 a5 27. Nxb7 axb4 28. Qb3!

And if 28...Qxb7 29. Bd6! allows for a defensible position.

LTJ

Jan-20-07  Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker: 25...Qc6 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 bxc3 (I was prefering 27...a5! at once) 28. Nc5 a5 27. Nxb7 axb4 28. Qb4!

And if 28...Qxb7 29. Bd6! allows for a defensible position.> Perhaps you confused the numeration, I guess what you meant is 29.Nxb7 axb4 30.Qb1 Qxb7 31.Bd6, then simply 31...Rf7 32.Qxb4 Qxb4 33.Bxb4 c2 ( ). I analysed other possibilities but ( ).

Jan-20-07  tallinn: LTJ, do you mean Qb3 blocking the pawns (as Qb4 is not a legal move)? Looks still like a clear win for black, two connected passed pawns ahead after Qxb7 and the white queen is a rather weak blocker.

The best defense according to fritz is Qb1 Qxb7 Bd6 Rf7 Qxb4 (Bxb4 c2! ) Qxb4 Bxb4 c2 and black is winning. To prevent the promotion of c2 white has to give material sooner or later.

Jan-20-07  LoveThatJoker: <Fisheremon
<LoveThatJoker: 25...Qc6 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 bxc3 (I was prefering 27...a5! at once) 28. Nc5 a5 27. Nxb7 axb4 28. Qb4! And if 28...Qxb7 29. Bd6! allows for a defensible position.> Perhaps you confused the numeration, I guess what you meant is 29.Nxb7 axb4 30.Qb1 Qxb7 31.Bd6, then simply 31...Rf7 32.Qxb4 Qxb4 33.Bxb4 c2 ( ). I analysed other possibilities but ( ).>

Trust me, Fisheremon I have been analyzing this position extensively now. Your assessment is totally incorrect.

Firstly I honestly don't think that after 31. Bd6! Rf7 is the best reply for Black.

If 31...Rf7 there are many saving ideas for White.

Fot the time being, let's begin with

A) 32. Rxf6! Qb6+ 33. Kh2 Rxf6 34. Be5 Rf8 (34...Rh1 is appaling because of the straight-forward 35. Bxf6+ Qxf6 36. Qxb4 EVEN) 35. Rxc3 with a slight edge to Black

Alright, guys, show me the refutation.

LTJ

P.S. Note that I will not be able to reply up until much later on, I am busy but I will reply (Maybe 12 -15hrs from now. So in the meantime produce that refutation!)

Jan-20-07  LoveThatJoker: Tallinn, I solved the puzzle, man. I am just saying that Attica's 25. Bf4 suggestion is a good one and worth investigating it further. Let's just say that I'm kind of playing Devil's Advocate here for the sake of completeness.

However, I cannot deny that I commend Attica for finding a tougher defense in 25. Bf4.

That move is worthy of praise regardless of what Fritz says. Try refuting that sheeyat OTB!

And why does Fisheremon have a same line as Fritz? Without crediting Fritz?

I don't use fritz or anything like that so I rely on my own analysis.

Connected Passers are strong indeed. That is why Tallinn I saw the correct logic when you refuted the 28. Qd5 line earlier.

I am not scared about suggesting something and seeing whether or not it works.

After all, we're all chess players here and hopefully we're all searching for Truth.

And truly, unless Black has an absolutely hopeless position, he should not really resign.

In this case, he must continue fighting on!

And finally I would like to remind you guys that I solved the puzzle. Where is your analysis on that?

Lastly, I would like to see what Fritz says on Attica's suggestion of 25. Bf4

LTJ

Jan-20-07  jia: 37...Bg3+ 38.Kh1 Qh3+ 39.Kg1 Qh2#

if 37..Bg3+ 38. Kg2 Bf4+ 39.Kf2 Qg3+ 40.Ke2 Re8+ 41. Kd1 Qd3+ 42. Qd2 Qd2#

Jan-20-07  Bishoprick: Don't get this one at all. . . Find move .24 for White that eventually gets him mated?
Jan-20-07  laskereshevsky: HELLO
at a first glance i was atracted from
24..D4 and 24..NF3.
Then decided for first 24..D4.
After that for a while i thougth between 25..NF3 and 25..NG4.But saw the latter dsent work.....

Just didnt see at all 27..BxG2!!!
TO PROVE MY'S INNOCENCE would i like to say; i saw that VERY EARLY THIS MORN.,

Cause i was weak-up at 7.30 by a plumber appointment, after a VERY COOL FRIDAY NIGHT BIRTHDAY'S PARTY......MAY I BE JUSTIFY?!?!

Jan-20-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  playground player: Anybody come up with...Bh4, 25. Rxf8+, Rxf8, 26. b5, Nf3+...? Fly in the ointment here is White's b5.
Jan-20-07  Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker:
If 31...Rf7 there are many saving ideas for White.

Fot the time being, let's begin with

A) 32. Rxf6! Qb6+ 33. Kh2 Rxf6 34. Be5 Rf8 (34...Rh1 is appaling because of the straight-forward 35. Bxf6+ Qxf6 36. Qxb4 EVEN) 35. Rxc3 with a slight edge to Black> Here 34...Re8 is winning. <And why does Fisheremon have a same line as Fritz? Without crediting Fritz?> That line's quite foeced no need to refer to Fritz. I'd underline that the key move was 27...a5 which (I'm not sure) might not be found by Fritz.

Jan-20-07  TrueBlue: lol, I can't believe it. I looked at the postion for a minute and thought d4 was best move (just intuition and the need to open the long diagonal). Of course, I didn't calculate any lines :)
Jan-21-07  LoveThatJoker: <Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker: If 31...Rf7 there are many saving ideas for White.

Fot the time being, let's begin with

A) 32. Rxf6! Qb6+ 33. Kh2 Rxf6 34. Be5 Rf8 (34...Rh1 is appaling because of the straight-forward 35. Bxf6+ Qxf6 36. Qxb4 EVEN) 35. Rxc3 with a slight edge to Black> Here 34...Re8 is winning. <And why does Fisheremon have a same line as Fritz? Without crediting Fritz?> That line's quite foeced no need to refer to Fritz. I'd underline that the key move was 27...a5 which (I'm not sure) might not be found by Fritz.>

Hey Fisheremon. Alright. I analyzed your 34...Re8 extensively and even with the most sophisticated tactical operations available for White the most he can hope for is for a position where White has his R on c1 his Q checking the Black King on diagonals from the B-file, whereas Black would have his R on c8, his Q on some square on the K-side and his pawn on c2. In any case, I think it turns out to be definitely a very difficult position for White to hold.

Therefore, with regards to your assessment of 34...Re8, I must again say that you analyzed that line correctly.

However

Let us look at option B)

B) 32. Bxb4 Rb8 33. Rxf6!! Rxf6 34. Bxc3! Qa7+ 35. Kh1 Rxb3 36. Bxf6+ Kg8 37. Rxb3 (=)

LTJ

Jan-21-07  Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker
However
Let us look at option B)
B) 32. Bxb4 Rb8 33. Rxf6!! Rxf6 34. Bxc3! Qa7+ 35. Kh1 Rxb3 36. Bxf6+ Kg8 37. Rxb3 (=)>
From your note I understand that you meant 30.Qb3 Qxb7 31.Bd6, then Black has simply 31...Qe4 and White's losing big material or mate attack.
Jan-21-07  LoveThatJoker: Hey but your line was 31...Rf7. I have refuted your 31...Rf7 idea!

You must admit it.

LTJ

Jan-21-07  LoveThatJoker: I would just like to say two final things regarding this game. It is obvious that after 25. Bf4! Qc6! White has a lot of work cut-out for him in order to save this game.

Indeed it almost appears as if though White is in a spot where every move he plays from here on in will have to be the best move available to him.

Black has the better of it in this middlegame thanks to the strong tactical idea of 23...d4!

And indeed to say that some lines are losing for Black is indeed unfair. Black has way more options than White here. And one cannot argue against the Truth of the position at hand.

*Fisheremon: I apologize for having been hasty; And futhermore, I retract this <Here's the winning line 25...Qc6 26.Rf2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 Bg7 28.Qa2 Rae8 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.cxd4 Re1+ 31.Kh2 Rxf4 32.Rxf4 Qd6 33.Qf2 Ra1 34.Nc5 g5> Not this time man. I analyzed the 25...Qc6 line ages ago. 25...Qc6 26. Qa2! Your line is not winning. It is losing.> Although in your line after 26. Rf2 White loses the game, it was both unfair and incorrect for me to say that 25...Qc6 was losing, as we both have discovered that 25...Qc6 leads to a strong initiative for Black. However I must still say - due to the great depth of good moves available to both sides- that it is unfair to say the move leads to a WON game). <This is a personal note to Fisheremon - My exposition continues here>*

After 25. Bf4! (A great move suggested by Attica) and 25...Qc6! (The strongest move first published by Fisheremon) there is a lot of game left to be played in which both sides must remain constantly aware of tactical traps.

And if you don't believe me, look at the fact that in almost every line - suggested by Attica, Fisheremon, Talinn and myself - there is a great wealth of resources.

Even in what could at least be termed one of the most authoritative lines 25. Bf4! Qc6! 26. Qa2 Nxd3 27. Rxd3 bxc3 28. Nc5 a5! 29. Nxb7 axb4 30. Qb3! Qxb7 31. Bd6, Black has at his disposal no less than three interesting replies at his disposal in 31...Rf7, 31...Qe4 and 31...Rad8

Even a move that appears to be refuted has other tremendous resources attached to it like the 31...Rf7 32. Rxf6 Re8! (Fisheremon) or 31...Rf7 32. Bxb4! c2! (Myself).

Therefore, it can be said that through our dilligent and shared investigation of this great game Romanishin-Balashov (1979), White's best try in reply to 23...d4! is indeed 24. Bf4! and futhermore that it would have taken both sides a lot of energy Over The Board to find the amazing refutations that we Chess Lovers and Enthusiasts have found here on CG.

LoveThatJoker

Jan-21-07
Premium Chessgames Member
  kevin86: I answered the first few moves but went no further-

The final victory is clear and easy black wins the queen by a discovered check or mates.

Jan-21-07  Fisheremon: <LoveThatJoker: Hey but your line was 31...Rf7. I have refuted your 31...Rf7 idea!

You must admit it.

LTJ> That was my reply to 30.Qb1 (pls check my messages again). Well, let me give a short account of the matter (I don't like to "publish" the whole tedious analysis). We're talking about 25.Bf4 Qc6 26.Qa2 Nxd3 27.Rxd3 dxc3 28.Nc5 a5!! 29.Nxb7 axb5:

1) 30.Qd5? Qxd5 31.Rxd5 b3 ( )

2) 30.Na5 Qb6+ 31.Be3 Qxa5 ( )

3) 30.Qf2 Bg7 31.Nc5 Rxf4 32.Qxf4 Qxc5+ ( )

4) 30.Qb3 Qxb7 31.Bd6 Qe4 ( )

5) 30.Qb1 Qxb7 31.Bd6 Rf7 32.Qxb4 Qxb4 33.Bxb4 c2 ( ), or 32.Rxf6 Qb6+ 33.Kh2 Re8 ( ), or 32.Bxb4 c2 33.Qb3 Bd4+ 34.Rxd4 Rxf1+ ( ). I hope every thing's clear here. Cheers !

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