| Dec-04-02 |
| ughaibu: This is a weird one. And yet they accuse Petrosian of unenterprising play. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: Nothing at all weird about it; it's simply a French Advance. Misclassified here. Bronstein made amateur mistake of freeing Black's white bishop & it looks like Petrosian simply looked deeper into the position when he gave up the exchange; unless this is a blitz game. Was it? Wouldn't surprise me. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: By the same token Petrosian made the amateur's mistake of blocking in his other bishop, in any case look at the egress used by the QB. The name of the opening wasn't part of the weirdness that struck me. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: I'm not exactly sure as to what you mean by blocking in his other bishop. That's main line French Advance. Unless you are referring to move 18, of which the alternative is to hang the queen. I'm still thinking this has got to be a blitz game, because it's really not too deep. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: I dont understand why it matters what name you give the opening? How can it be mainline French advance when black has used two moves to get his c-pawn to c5? |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: You have no idea how much it matters... |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: If you look in the games similar you'll find zero examples which doesn't accord with the concept "mainline". |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: oh well. you think it's a blitz? |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: I wouldn't think so. Maybe somebody can identify it, it would help to know what "it" means. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: It is "it," like "premier," "THE tournament." I have no idea what "it" could mean. But I don't see how Bronstein, the dude who almost took down Botvinnik, could be this retarded. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: Maybe the Russian underworld wire-pullers told him to take a dive a la Jake Lamotta... |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Benjamin Lau: Ughaibu, didn't you say before that "it" stood for "international tournament?" |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: It looks like they only played each other in 1960 in the USSR championship. Also in 1960 (I've just read) a player killed a spectator for criticising his game, kibitzing here could be dangerous. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Bluebird: What about the game where Petrosian lost his queen to a patzer's oversight? |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| Slothrop: I think Bronstein must've had a rash or the brown bottle flu or something. And Petrosian blundered his queen? Most incredible blunder I've seen, perhaps one of the most incredible ever, is the one where Capablanca lost in, I think, 8 moves. Go check that one out. |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: Benjamin Lau: That was my guess, there again, I cant find an international tournament in 1960 featuring these two. About Petrosian blundering his queen, that was against Bronstein, so where does that leave this game? |
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Jan-23-04
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| Calli: <ughaibu> Yes, its from the 27th USSR Championship in 1960. Its a 13th round game. In the next round, Petrosian lost to Polugaevsky in only 24 moves. Polugaevsky vs Petrosian, 1960 |
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| Jan-23-04 |
| ughaibu: Thanks Calli. |
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| May-29-07 |
| CambridgeSprings1904: This game is annotated by Mednis in his book "King Power in Chess", Chapter 2, Section 2. His primary point is that after 13...Kf7, the King is safe behind the pawns, despite being in the center in an open position. |
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Jun-04-08
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| Sem: To me Petrosan's playing in this game has an Eastern touch, which in places seems to escape the Western logic with which chess has been played for the last 150 years. |
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| Jun-04-08 |
| RookFile: Either that, or Bronstein played like a jerk with the White pieces here. |
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Nov-28-08
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| Sem: I don't think that such a gifted man can play like a jerk. That is a prerogative for you and me, I should think. Bronstein is known for his love of unorthodox positions and enterprising play, just to find out what will happen. |
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Nov-06-09
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| JG27Pyth: What lame kibitzing on an strategic miniature -- a fast kill for Black in the Caro Kan, now that's a rara avis... but Petrosian's exchange sac is lovely and I think completely sound. This is game of the day material. I just can't think of a good pun. |
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