| Jun-29-04 |
| Poohavez: Serious blunder (53.Kd2??) by Marshall in trivial  vs  ending.Should be: 53.Rg5+! and then 53...Kf3 54.Rh5 Kg3 55.Kd3 h3 56.Ke2 h2 57.Kf1 and White won. <chessgames.com> Event & place = San Sebastian. |
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Jun-29-04
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| suenteus po 147: More often it was Marshall who swindled a draw or even a win from his opponent, sometimes after being down the whole game. Here he gets some of his own medicine. He wins a pawn early and keeps it, exchanging down with a forced win in the making, but as you said, <Poohavez>, a terrible blunder in an otherwise simple ending and the win is gone forever. Maybe Duras learned some of his tenacity from Burn's last move in this game: Burn vs Duras, 1912 |
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Jun-29-04
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| Gypsy: <Poohavez, suenteus po 147> Maybe Marshall lost his win earlier? Here is a key variation: <53.Rg5> Kh2 54.Kd3 h3 55.Ke3 Kh1 56.Kf3 h2 57.Kg3 Kg1 58.Re5 h1N+. Do you see a way to win this? |
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Jun-29-04
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| suenteus po 147: <Gypsy> [53.Rg5] Kh2 54.Kd3 h3 55.Ke3 Kh1 56.Kf3 h2 57.Kg3 Kg1 <58.Kh3+! Kh1 59.Rd5 Kg1 [forced] 60.Rd1+ Kf2> and the pawn falls.... |
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Jun-29-04
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| Gypsy: <suenteus po 147> You are right. Here is another way to win: <53.Rg5 Kh2 54.Kd3 h3 55.Ke3 Kh1 56.Kf3 h2 57.Kg3 Kg1> 58.Rc5! h1N+ 59.Kf3 Kh2 60.Rg5
or 59...Nf2 60.Rc1+. So, the real culprit realy was the 53.Kd2; thanks! |
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Jun-30-04
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| Chessical: Marshall's <21.Rf7+!!> is an exceptionally fine move if 21...Kg8 22.Rxc7 Nf5 23.Nf7 <24.Qd7!> looks like a killer punch as Duras has run out of holding moves. <53.Rg5+> Kf3 54.Rh5 Kg3 55.Kd3 h3 56.Ke2 Kg4 57.Rh7 Kg3 58.Kf1 h2 59.Rh5; wins. <Suenteus po 147> In your line: 53.Rg5+ Kh2 54.Kd3 h3 55.Ke3 Kh1 56.Kf3 h2 <57.Re5> wins much more quickly 57...Kg1 58.Re1 mate |
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Jun-30-04
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| Gypsy: <56.Kf3 h2 <57.Re5> wins much more quickly 57...Kg1 58.Re1 mate > You beat me to it, <Chessical>. (I woke up with the line: "And of course there is a third way to win this..." running through my head.) Regarding <24.Qd7!>, do you think that 24...Ne2+ 25.Rxe2 Rc1+ 26.Kh2 Qxf7 comes out better for White than the game does? <Marshall's <21.Rf7+!!> is an exceptionally fine move ...> Amen. The final part of this game may be worth studying for the way Duras sets his swindle/trap: He could have been setting it up as early as 40...h5, but I doubt it. My guess is that 44...Ke2 is the start. I would have expected 44...Ke3 otherwise; it cuts off the White king better. Now all is timed to the max: The trap mechanism is set in motion with 50...Rf5(!)--it shall go off neither a move earlier, nor a move later. The critical point comes with 53.Kd2?; Marshall takes the bate, he plays the natural move and lets his win slip. Paradoxically, 53.Rg5+! gains a tempo over immediate king march and preserves White win. I have lately grew found of studying traps. They provide an interesting window into thinking of the players. |
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Jun-30-04
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| Chessical: <Gypsy> Your observation on possible characteristic psychological "fingerprints" for swindles is very interesting. Regarding: <24.Qd7> Ne2+ 25.Rxe2 Rc1+ 26.Kh2 Qxf7; Black must resign after <27.Re7>. |
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Jun-30-04
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| Gypsy: <Black must resign after <27.Re7>.> Oh yes, that would do it <Chessical>. I should start puting things up on a board now; benedril definitely affects tactical allertness (second hay-feaver season). Btw, if you know of some good traps (e.g., by Marshall), please, send me a pointer! Thx. |
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| Jun-30-04 |
| Poohavez: I'm too late (all those time zones:) with 58.Re1# in responce to 53...Kh2. But here is virtually identical blunder by Ham... in H Hamdouchi vs Topalov, 1994. 89...Rg2+ (not 'obvious' 89...Kd4??) wins.
<Gypsy> Am I getting senile, or you had different avatar some time ago? |
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Jun-30-04
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| Gypsy: Oh, my avatar was switched to a big shagy dog for a couple of days <Poohavez>; certain 3-year old did some clicking about and changed it. The black-rook avatar has been my main alter-ego since it all started, however. Thanks for the pointer to the Hamdouchi-Topalov game! |
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| Jun-30-04 |
| Poohavez: You are most welcome. Dog was nice looking one - that keeps my sanity:)), well, at least temporarily. |
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Jun-30-04
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| Gypsy: I love dogs, <Poohavez>. But some other kibitzers told me that they already got to know me as "the rook". :-)) |
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Jun-30-04
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| Gypsy: Going back from avatars to this end-game theme: If Marshall and Topalov can go wrong (the latter on two consecutive moves) it must be an easy error to make. Do you know of other instances of it, <Poohavez>, and/or of instances where the player went right? |
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| Jul-01-04 |
| Poohavez: <Gypsy> These two games are only cases that I know. I will try to find some nicely-played ones. |
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Jul-01-04
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| Gypsy: Thanks, I will also be on a lookout. |
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Jul-01-04
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| suenteus po 147: <Gypsy> Nice catch in your own line! I was actually frustrated by your line because it looked solid, that's why I went back a couple of moves and amended 58.Kh3+.
<Chessical> You're right about the quicker win. I didn't catch it because my line was solid as is and I didn't see the need to find anything quicker. I'm a slacker at heart ;) |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| aw1988: Kd2?? |
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| Oct-09-04 |
| mack: Surely 17.Nxg5 is winning? |
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| Oct-10-04 |
| sneaky pete: <mack> Winning for black, you mean? |
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| Oct-11-04 |
| mack: Er, yes. Indeed. I'm sure there was a bishop in there last time I looked at the position. |
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| Nov-01-09 |
| WhiteRook48: Marshall probably hadn't encountered this ending before |
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