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|Dec-19-14|| ||1d410: Just discovered this player. What great games!|
|Dec-20-14|| ||ljfyffe: <1d410>Marshall, of course, did not have all the resources that the great players of today have..so to make such comparisons is really a mug's game..I researched quite a bit for "Young Marshall" during the time when Frank was a "Canadian" lad.|
|Dec-20-14|| ||Sally Simpson: Hi 1d410,
"Just discovered this player. What great games!"
One of my all time heroes. There is no doubt at all his play and attitude to the game inspired me.
I Did a whole piece on him which went down well....and I did not show or use the 'gold coins game.'
|Dec-21-14|| ||MissScarlett: <C.N. 598>:
<F.J. Marshall was, apparently, a champion of the world. The following comes from <Who Was Who in America 1943-1950>, page 347:
<Champion of the world in game of War, invented by Hudson Maxim; and the same of Saltar.>
Information on these achievements will be gratefully received.>
<In the photograph collection is an undated autographed picture of Hudson Maxim playing his “Game of War” with noted American chess player Frank Marshall. (There is no identification of a third gentleman who is observing, nor is there any indication of who eventually won the match.) Maxim’s changes to traditional chess included enlarging the board to be 10 squares x 10 squares, increasing the number of pieces on each side to 20, and making some of those pieces different. In ”The Game of War” there were Kings, Generals (instead of Queens), Cannon (instead of Bishops), Horse or Cavalry (Knights), Mortars (instead of Rooks), Rear and Van Troops (instead of Pawns) and, most modern of all, “Flying Machines!” (A manual for the game may be found online at http://archive.org/details/gameofwa....) Maxim remained friends with Marshall for the rest of his life, often visiting Marshall’s chess club in Manhattan to continue to promote ”The Game of War.”
Hudson Maxim, like his Game of War, is little remembered today, despite being an outstanding prototype of the late Victorian inventor, entrepreneur, and bon vivant.>
<Even Frank J. Marshall volunteered for his country through a direct address to Woodrow Wilson. According to page 112 of the same Bulletin issue, Hudson Maxim wrote the following to Marshall: "In regard to what you can do to help the country, I do not believe that you can do any better than just what you are doing. Don't go to the front and get yourself shot up. You must remember this, than when the war is over a large number of war cripples will have to find their mind solace and comfort in the war game and the games of chess and checkers. You cannot do any better than to stick to your present work.">
Frank Percival Beynon
|Dec-21-14|| ||ljfyffe: " But those who were familiar with Marshall's earlier chess career, well before he regularly appeared on the European scene, would not have been surprised by the man's irrepressible belief in his own abilities at the chessboard, nor his steadfast perseverance despite disappointments. By the time Marshall reached Monte Carlo 1901, he was long familiar with the ups and downs of chess, and hardened to the need to look forward, not backward, when engaged in battle. The lessons he learned when young, considered here, held fast for life."
John Hilbert--Young Marshall Moravian Press 2002.|
|Dec-25-14|| ||TheFocus: In Mechanics' Institute Chess Club newsletter #691 (12-5-14) is an unknown game of Marshall's:|
Eduardo Bauzá Mercére writes:
The following game seems to have escaped scrutiny.
It is one of the two Frank Marshall played at the 1941/42 Marshall CC championship (first round). The other one was a loss to Edward Lasker, which can be found in Chess Secrets I Learned From The Masters and the American Chess Bulletin. Marshall withdrew from the tournament because of illness.
Grunfeld Exchange D85
Frank Marshall–Joseph Richman
New York (1941/42 Marshall C.C. Ch.) November 30, 1941
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 d5 4. Nf3 Bg7 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4 Nxc3 7. bxc3 c5 8. Bb5+ Bd7 9. Bxd7+ Nxd7 10. O-O O-O 11. Rb1 b6 12. Bf4 cxd4 13. cxd4 Nf6 14. Qe2 Qd7 15. Rfd1 Rac8 16. Be5 Qc6 17. Bxf6 Bxf6 18. e5 Bg7 19. d5 Qc2 20. Qa6 Rc7 21. Qa3 Rd8 22. Rbc1 Rxd5 23. Rf1 Qe2 24. Rxc7 Rd1 25. Nd2 Qxd2 26. g3 Bxe5 27. Rxa7 Rxf1+ 28. Kxf1 Qd1+ 29. Kg2 Qd5+ 30. Qf3 Qxf3+ 31. Kxf3 Bd6 32. Ke4 Kg7 33. Kd5 f5 34. a4 1-0.
Source: NY Sun, 17 Jan 1942, p. 16.
|May-06-15|| ||offramp: Wikipedia has this encomium:
"<The Marshall Gambit may refer to a number of chess openings named after the American chess master Frank Marshall.
The Marshall Gambit in the Scandinavian Defense. 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6
The Marshall Gambit in the Tarrasch Defense: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c5 4.cxd5 exd5 5.e4
The Marshall Gambit in the Semi-Slav Defense: 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Bb4+ 6.Bd2
Marshall Gambit in the Paulsen Variation of the French Defense, 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 c5.
In addition there is the Marshall Attack in the Ruy Lopez which also sacrifices a pawn, and can therefore be called a "gambit".>"
|May-10-15|| ||TheFocus: <Why are not more King's Gambits played nowadays? Well, in the first place, if you offered the King's Gambit to a master, eight times out of ten he would decline it, either with 2. … d5 or 2. … Bc5> - Frank Marshall.|
|May-10-15|| ||TheFocus: <The attack and defence emanating from this classical opening produce some of the most beautiful chess it is possible to obtain. The Queen's Gambit possesses the merit of being the soundest of all the openings> - Frank Marshall.|
|May-15-15|| ||TheFocus: <A bad plan is better than none at all.> - Frank Marshall.|
|May-15-15|| ||john barleycorn: <I like it when a bad plan works>
|Jul-05-15|| ||zanzibar: Already mentioned by <MissS> above:|
Frank James Marshall (kibitz #295)
<Champion of the world in [...] Saltar>
I've actually seen two other references, both of which spell it <Salta>:
<always decked out in an ascot and chewing a cigar, his career coincided with many evolutionary changes in competitive chess. Marshall was a master gamesman. <He took up the game of salta, akin to Chinese checkers, and was soon world champion.> But more than anything, he loved chess, claiming that after he learned the game at 10 he played every day for the next 57 years. >
In my <Monte Carlo (1902>> research, I encountered another mention in the contemporaneous reporting when the organizers decided to delay the final round (later also the penultimate round as well), impacting both Pillsbury and Marshall's ability to partake in the Anglo-American cable match. There's also this:
<Marshall, moreover, is desirous of staying over another week, to participate in prospective tournament at salta, the world's championship of which is held by him.>
(The normal BDE coverage of this one issue is very poor in the Brooklyn library archive, Fulton at least has a readable copy)
|Jul-05-15|| ||zanzibar: Salta - wiki's page mentions Marshall.
|Jul-05-15|| ||RookFile: Marshall is right about the King's Gambit. I know a player who played the King's Gambit for upwards of 20 years. He said that the only thing he never saw was the "main line" ( 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nf3 g5 etc. )|
|Jul-06-15|| ||keypusher: <Zanzibar> Not sure I am reading your figures correctly. 3.Bc4 is three times more popular than 3.Nf3 among 2400-rated players? That's surprising (and a tribute to Fischer's influence). What kind of sample size are we talking about here?|
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: <keypusher> Damn, I reversed those numbers. |
Good catch... I'd delete my bad post and repost with the correction.
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: Well, <RookFile>, SCID has a couple of opening books to look at -
<ELO2400> and <GM2600>|
where we can look at recent high level play.
<1.e4 e5> vs <1.e4 c5> _______ (21% 49%) vs (26% 44%)
KGA vs KGD __________________ (74% 26%) vs (100% 0%)
KGA knight vs bishop __________ (76% 23%) vs (56% 44%)
Then we have Black's move 3, so let's list several options for the two books
3...g5 ____ 27% _______ 3...g5 ____ 75%
3...d6 ____ 20% _______ 3...Be7 ___ 25%
3...d5 ____ 16%
3...Be7 ___ 14%
3...Ne7 ___ 12%
3...Nf6 ____ 6%
3...h6 _____ 5%
So it seems at some of GM's do play 3...g5 as Black.
The Tree Window gives a few top games for reference:
Nakamura vs D Andreikin, 2010
<Zvjaginsev, Vadim (2643) -- Akopian, Vladimir (2688) 11. EICC Men playoff (2.3) Rijeka CRO>
(and I thought Akopian only played the French!)
Fedorov vs Shirov, 2000
Morozevich vs A Aleksandrov, 2000
Short vs Shirov, 1997
Short vs D Howell, 2010
* * * * *
Fedorov vs Ivanchuk, 2001
Fedorov vs Adams, 1997
Nunn vs Timman, 1995
Black seems to do pretty well in this sample of games.
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: <keypusher> The question about the sample size is also good. |
I'll have to do a little research and report back. I think I knew it once upon a time...
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: <Taken from the copyright notice of the source:|
Files that are copyrighted by respective authors :
Book files (performance.bin and varied.bin): Marc Lacrosse
Book files (Elo2400.bin and gm2600.bin): Pascal Georges
Database files : Pascal Georges>
Georges took over SCID from Hudson.
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: Finding out about the SCID opening books is not easy. They were made with polyglot (a tool created by Fabien Letouzey, the guy who wrote Fruit and open sourced it - basically creating the world of engines that we know today).|
The opening books probably haven't been tweaked for years now. The exact data sets used for their creation, and the stats, aren't documented in the obvious place (e.g. the README.txt file in the books directory).
|Jul-06-15|| ||RookFile: Well, if you're a chess professional, you can prepare 3...g5 in the King's Gambit. I think the rest of us hackers can content ourselves with either 2...Bc5 or an early ...d5 break, as Marshall says. I was an ...e5 player for many years, maybe I saw a grand total of 10 King's Gambits.|
|Jul-06-15|| ||zanzibar: <RookFile> I'm lucky if I make hacker rank myself. |
Your (or Marshall's) suggestion to play a KGD with 2...d5 or 2...Bc5 is a good one, and FCO agrees
<In a way, these words are still valid today. Somehow or other, the King's Gambit seems to elude rational judgement. Coundess refutations of 2 f4 have been claimed, but each and every time the opening has survived the onslaught. It remains a source of inspiration to those who have courage and imagination. And even those who do not dare to play it, can learn a great deal from the wealth of variations this opening has to offer. There is only one theme here, yet it is an eternal one, the theme that no chess-player can avoid: the battle between the initiative and a material advantage.
The most prominent of these variations start with 2...exf4, the King's Gambit Accepted, but several other moves have also grown into full-blown variations, most notably 2...d5, the Falkbeer Counter-Gambit, and 2...!.c5, the principal form of the King's Gambit Declined.>
Anybody can bone up on the 3...g5 defense - White and Black. It's a question of temperament whether or not one wants to play it.
I agree that most White players don't play the King's Gambit, but it certainly shows up on FICS a lot, and I've certainly been crushed enough times as Black to confirm this fact. But for me, it's always a bit of a thrill to play the KGA out as Black and get a win.
|Jul-06-15|| ||perfidious: While known to respond to the KG with 2....d5 once or twice, I generally preferred acceptance with the Becker line (3....h6), which typically transposed into the Classical without allowing White to play down the main line of the Kieseritsky, via a move order such as 4.d4 g5 5.Bc4 d6 6.0-0 Bg7.|
My guess is that the KG player to whom <RookFile> refers was Rich Daly; the one time we met at the board, the game avoided the transposition into the main line of the Classical above, as he went in for a quick h4, hxg5 and exchange of rooks.
|Jul-07-15|| ||zanzibar: You can see Kingcrusher playing White against the Becker here:|
It's a 5-min blitz, and a little sloppy. But worth a watch, and many of the mistakes make for good little side lessons (e.g. why 44...Ke7 fails whereas 44...Kf7 wins for Black).
|Jul-25-15|| ||offramp: Uncopyrightable is the longest word in English with no repeat letters.|
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