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Bobby Fischer vs Leonid Stein
"Brooklyn Lager" (game of the day Mar-22-2012)
Sousse Interzonal (1967), Sousse TUN, rd 7, Oct-24
Spanish Game: Closed Variations. Flohr System (C92)  ·  1-0

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Jun-15-04
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  Chessical: <Drukenknight> Using the ideas from the previous posts, I believe that <33...Rc8> runs into problems due to weaknesses in Black's K-side structure:

26...Nd3 27.Bxd3 Qxd3 28.Bg5 Ra7 29.Bxe7 Rxe7 30.Rad1 Qf5 31.a4 Nb2 32.Rb1 Nxa4 33.Rxb5 <Rc8> 34.Nh4 Qe6 (34...Qc2? 35.e6!) 35.f4 c4 36.f5.

Jun-15-04  drukenknight: in that last line, 35...Qd7 may improve some, I get something like:

35...Qd7
36. Nxg6 fxg6
37. Qb3+ c4
38. Qxa4 c3
39. Qb3+ Kg7
40. Qb4 Re6
41. Rb7 Rc7
42. Rxc7 Qxc7

Jun-15-04  Calli: I still like the direct approach after
26...Nd3 27.Bxd3 Qxd3 28.Bg5 Ra7 29.Bxe7 Rxe7 30.Rad1 Qf5 then 31.Nh4 Qe6 32.f4 Kh7 33.f5 gxf5 34.Qf3 looks good to me.
Jun-15-04
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  Chessical: Keres' suggestion of <26...Nd3> is not, I believe, enough to equalise for Stein. <26...Nd3> 27.Bxd3 Qxd3 28.Bg5 Ra7 29.Bxe7 Rxe7 30.Rad1 Qf5; and now:

<Cali> I agree your line as given is advantageous White. Perhaps 31.Nh4 <Qc2!?> is better than 31...Qe6 as it takes some of the sting out of 32.f4.

<Drukenknight> from the stem variation above continuing: 31.a4 Nb2

32.Rb1 Nxa4 33.Rxb5 Rc8 34.Nh4 Qe6 35.f4 <Qd7>

I would propose to continue in your line with:

<36.Rbb1> (to reunite the R's and challenge on the e-file) c4 37.Red1 Qa7+ 38.Kh2 c3 39.Rbc1 Rec7 40.f5 Rc6 41.fxg6 fxg6 42.Nxg6 which is better for White.

<Everyone> "are you guys about ready to move onto move 29?" - yes! Why not: <29...Bf6>? Is the threat of Ng5 that terrible?

Jun-15-04  drukenknight: Okay onto move 29. Byrne claims that 29...Bd6 will lose, one of his lines goes:

29….Bd6
30. e7 Bxe7
31. Qg3 Ra6
32. Ng5

But why not continue with
32...h4
33. Qc3+ Bf6
34. Qf3 Bxg5
35. Qb7+ Kh6
36. Qxb5 Qd4
37. Bxg5+ Kxg5
38. Red1 Rb6
39. Rxd4 Rxb5
40. Rxc4 gxf5
41. a4 Ra5
42. f4+

black seems to be winning this.

Jun-15-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  Chessical: <Drukenknight> Your suggestion in Byrne's line <29...Bd6> seems very strong for Black:

29…...Bd6 30.e7 Bxe7 31.Qg3 Ra6 32.Ng5 h4!

Perhaps <32.a4> is an improvement?

Jun-15-04  drukenknight: The possibilities on move 29 remain baffling, I thought Bd6 was most natural but your suggestion of Bf6 is also interesting. Let me get to my notes before I take that one up.

Bobby says that 29...pxB loses after:

29….gxf5
30. Qg3+ Kh7
31. Ng5+ Bxg5
32. Bxg5 Qd3
33 Qc7+ Kg6
34 Qf7+! Kxg5
35 Qg7+ Kf4
36 Rad1 [transposing from english notation, not proofed]

But what about:

32...Qb8
33. Qf3 Kg6
34. Bf4 Qe8
35. a3 Nc2
36. Qg3+ Kh7

Jun-15-04
Premium Chessgames Member
  tamar: In the Byrne line starting with 29...Bd6, Stein had to watch out for a shocking sacrifice on g6. I considered the move, as a typical way to blow open the position, but didn't take it seriously until Shredder 8 played the next move.

29...Bd6 30 e7 Bxe7 31 Bxg6!

If 31...Kxg6 32 Bb2!! offering the other bishop! Take or not, Black is toast.

Jun-16-04  Calli: <Tamar> Bxg6! and Bb2! --- Beautiful! Thanks
Nov-13-04  drukenknight: [souza 1967 cont.] I want to summarize first, a little of where we left this game off, last time. WE have analyzed from two positions in the game and I want to go one more final try for STein....

Move 26 seems that there are ways to improve on blacks play, but it also seems that we have chosen a moment in the game where many many lines appear to start losing. Is it possible that neither player is in complete grasp of the possibilities, but that Fischer has outplayed him so far?

Move 29, there are still some probably better defensive resources and there are some shocking sacrifices for white. Interesting though, Fischer always maintained that he did not sacrifice intuitively and only if he could work it out totally (the one exception I can recall is that game vs Donner in 1962, Varna? I guess where the N sack just turns ugly.)

Okay? SO that is about where we are?

Nov-15-04  drukenknight: Okay so after moves 25-29 Stein is way behind on the clock and the defense may not have been the best. Here is my one last, chance, final attempt to save Stein. Has anyone suggested 31...Rf8 in the game as played?
Apr-14-05  drukenknight: SInce this came up the other day on the Fischer thread, I might as well bring it up again. I guess you've all been working on 31...Rf8. How does it continue: 32. Be5+ Kh6 33. Kf1 Rxa2?
Apr-14-05
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  tamar: On 31...Rf8 32 Bg5 Re8 33 Rad1 Ra6 34 Bb1 is similar to the game with the rook threatening to come in on d7, but holding on to the e6 pawn as well.
Jul-03-05  Giancarlo: This has to be up there with one of the best Fischer games in my oponion. It seems very instructive to me, but what I have learned most from this game is the following when I studied it a year or so back, and then again last night:

In King-side VS queen-side play, the advantage almost always goes to the player attacking the King-side.

Take the position after 25..nc4 for example. The merits of positional play in this paticualr part of the game are incredible. Analyzing it, I see a few things:

1)The Bishop pair Fischer has attained allows him to simultaneously attack the king-side while defend and choke Black's knights on the King-side! Now while this may seem elementary, I feel that in the sub-2200 level, positional play is highly under-rated, and this shows how important positional play is.

2)Black's plan is clear, continue to play on the queen side with his powerfully placed and well defended knights. However, the ultimate quesiton was if his counterplay on the queen side would be able to put up resistance to White's King-side attacks? Answer: Often no. This is for the simple reason:
>>In chess, the question on king position and safety always comes first, if the king is in danger, nothing else matters. Therefore, looking generally and specefically at this position, in queenside counter play, the King is generally safe and the player attacking the King-side can risk more in terms of position then the player attacking the Queen-side can. Therefore, it is my assumption the King-side attacker can take more risks! IE-26..Kg7

3)after 25..nc4, Black had little or no more progress on the queen-side! Directly backing up point #2. It seems to me that in chess theory, one should always play for King-side attacks, or atleast prevent the opponet for doing so.

In a conclusion (Now I'm a professor :-) )
I can say that Queen side attacks should not in themselves be seen as long-term investments, as such the king-side would be. Short term attacks to attack major pieces such as the queen or rooks seem plausible, unless of course these pieces are on the King side, in which case Good luck to you :-(

In general the player with the King-side attack would <most likely> have the advantage in the game, but I'll try to scope out a few games where this is no the case. However, I think for the majority my statement is true.

Thank you for your time :-)

Jul-03-05  Caissanist: One example of queenside counterplay winning over a kingside attack is Larry Evans vs H Opsahl, 1950
Jul-03-05  Giancarlo: I understand how you could consider that in the game you mentioned <Caissanist>, but it isn't in the same sense. I don't think white won the game because of his queen side operations, where as in this game I think Fischers win is a direct result of the KS attack. The game you mentioned is close to what I want, but not exactly.
Jul-29-05  PaulLovric: Look at this if you have never seen it: a beauty
Sep-01-05  sitzkrieg: "In King-side VS queen-side play, the advantage almost always goes to the player attacking the King-side."

A bold statement; can we play no more Sicilian?

Sep-01-05  ughaibu: Play the Latvian.
Sep-07-05  sitzkrieg: Had bad results with it..
Sep-09-05  medi: To sitzkrieg:
See Kasparov v. Adams, Linares, 2005.
Sep-13-05  Buddy2: Why not c5 for black on move 14? Any ideas anybody?
Sep-13-05  crafty: 14...c5 15. bxc5 ♖e8 16. a4 ♕c7 17. axb5 axb5 18. cxd6   (eval 0.81; depth 14 ply; 750M nodes)
Jun-29-06  spirit: nice sac
Oct-03-06  ABlessing: Where are Fischers comments?
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