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|Feb-16-11|| ||Once: <zibik> Welcome! It is good to have you on board.|
I wouldn't worry about your english - it looks very good to me.
|Feb-16-11|| ||MaczynskiPratten: <estrick> Yes, there are Boy Scouts in the UK - as far as I know they originated here (Lord Baden-Powell). Our female equivalents are called Girl Guides, and the junior versions are Cubs and Brownies.|
|Feb-16-11|| ||doubledrooks: Welcome <zibik>, and congratulations on your first post!|
|Feb-16-11|| ||davidp: So after staring at this a while and reading through most of the posts, I still don't see a solid finish for white. The start seems pretty consistent for most:
31. Qxh6 gxh6 32. Nf6+ Kh8 33. Nxd7+ Ne5
Then what? We can do, as a few have suggested:
34. Nxe5 dxe5 35. Bc3 Rc2 36. Bxe5+ Rxe5 37. Rxe5 Rxb2 38. Rxf7 Rb1+ 9. Kh2 Bd6 10. d4 ....
I don't have a lot chess experience under my belt, but at this point it looks like it's heading toward a draw to me. I tried it with the chess trainer shared by <David2009> and haven't personally been able to find a good finish. This doesn't seem as cut and dry as lot of people are making it out to be. Has anyone played it out all the way?
|Feb-16-11|| ||EXIDE: Thanks <David2009>. I agree with <davidp>, I cannot find a clear win for white. Black should have played on, I wish.|
|Feb-16-11|| ||Funicular: After Ne5, it's no use to capture on e5 with the black king pinned. Come on, that's throwing away all the advantage!|
Seriously, would you REALLY capture a pinned piece? you can use it to your advantage with stuff like Rxf7.
Check out Rxf7, Bg7 Rg3, Rg8
Black is under heavy fire, black's rook has nothing to do on d2, and white can get a dangerous free pawn anytime by capturing on e5
Probably that's some of what polugaevsky saw and resigned
|Feb-16-11|| ||Funicular: Also Rxe5 (and not Nxe5) looks strong, looking towards Rxf7. The pin should be used as much as possible considering a free pawn can be obtained.|
|Feb-16-11|| ||gazzawhite: Didn't quite get this one. After 31. Qxh6+,
if 31...Kg8, I missed 32. Rxe8 (instead I considered 32. h5).
if 31...gxh6, I went 32. Nxf6+ Kh8 33. Nxd7+ Ne5, then I didn't know what to do. I thought 34. Rxf7 would be good, but I think 34...Bg7 is quite effective for black.
|Feb-16-11|| ||BOSTER: This is the position in the game after 27.Ne3 with black to play.
click for larger view
Many strong players believe ,when you are on the second (7) rank, you have to stay here as long as possible.
This is why black played here 27...Rd2.
But very often leaving the piece unprotected you can be (or could be like in the game Gallimova vs Korchnoi when black played Qf2) very dissapointed.
|Feb-16-11|| ||knight knight: Ok 31. Qxh6+ looks pretty good. If 31...gxh6 32. Nf6+:|
a) 32...Kg7 33. Nxe8++ Kg8/h7 34. Nf6+ Kg7/h8 35. Nxd7+ rook + pawn up
b) 32...Kh8 33. Nxd7+:
i) 33...Kg8/h7 transposes to line a)
ii) 33...Bg7 34. Rxe8+ Kh7 rook + pawn up
iii) 33...f6 34. Rxe8 Kg8 35. Rxf6 rook + two pawns up and more coming
iv) 33...Re5 34. Bxe5+ dxe5 35. Nxe5 Nxe5 36. Rxe5 Rxd3 37. Rxf7 exchange + two pawns up
If 31...Kg8 32. Rxe8 Qxe8 (32...gxh6 33. Nf6+) 33. Qxd2 rook + pawn up
Time to check...
|Feb-16-11|| ||WhiteRook48: 31 Qxh6+ that wasn't hard at all|
|Feb-16-11|| ||knight knight: Missed 31. Qxh6+ gxh6 32. Nf6+ Kh8 33. Nxd7+ Ne5 for some reason. <patzer2> and others have covered this line earlier in the kibitzing (it's still winning of course).|
Also missed the try 31. Qxh6+ Kg8 32. Rxe8 Qxg4?? 33. Qxg7#, as given by <Jimfromprovidence>.
|Feb-16-11|| ||freshtricks: saw it.without any doubt..qxh6|
|Feb-16-11|| ||wals: I went for the Rxe8 approach.
Rybka 4 x 64
The game was even-stevens until,
d 16 : 5 min :
28...Qd7, +2.86. Best,
1. (0.35): 28...Rde2 29.Be3 Rxb2 30.Bxh6 gxh6 31.Nf6+ Kh8 32.Nxe8 Qe7 33.Nxd6 Qxd6 34.Qf5 Kh7 35.Qxf7+ Bg7 36.Re3 Qf8 37.g3 b4 38.Qxf8 Nxf8 39.Re7 Kg8 40.d6 Rxa2 41.Rb1 a5 42.d7 Nxd7 43.Rxd7 Kh7
2. (0.60): 28...Ree2 29.Bc3 Rc2 30.Rgf3 Qe7 31.Rf5 Nh8 32.Nxh6 g6 33.Ng8+ gxh5 34.Nxe7 Bxe7 35.Rxh5+ Kg6 36.Rxh8 Rf2 37.Rg1 Bf6 38.Rg8+ Kh7 39.Ra8 Bxc3 40.bxc3 Rxa2 41.Ra7 Kg7 42.Rd7 Rac2 43.Rxd6
29...Qe7, +4.39, didn't help.
|Feb-16-11|| ||alachabre: K and Q can be forked with Nf6, if we can find a way to squeeze that in sometime. As luck would have it, the defending g pawn can be deflected by a queen sac on h6. Does this work?|
31. Qxh6+ gxh6
Not seeming like anything impressive yet, but what is Black forced into with this check? I smell trouble with the d4 bishop.
32. ... Kg7
33. Nxe8++ Kg8
and White picks up the rook as well as the queen. But...
32. ... Kh8 must be better...
33. Nxe8+ Ne5, and the rook and queen can't be picked up.
33. Nxd7+ Ne5
Not great, but maybe if I preface with
31. Rxd8 Qxd8
32. Qxh6+ gxh6
33. Nf6+ Kh8
34. Nxe8+ Ne5
35. ... Rxd3.
So, it doesn't seem to be a terribly great continuation, but it does win a pawn and it is a somewhat nifty combination. I don't see anything better, and I would play it over the board just to hope Black misplays a chance somewhere.
|Feb-16-11|| ||alachabre: I didn't make it totally clear in my first post, I would play the first continuation (Qxg6), not Rxd8.|
|Feb-16-11|| ||alachabre: <funicular> I agree, keep the N pinned on e5, and play Rxf7. The N gets unpinned immediately if Black plays Bg7, but now White has a bigger advantage than if he would have immediately taken the knight. Now:|
... Bxe5?! White must be careful, mate is threatened!
So ... Rxe5 and white is much better. So it looks a lot better for White after playing through the moves than it appeared in my mind's eye while evaluating the original position.
|Feb-16-11|| ||patzer2: < davidp: So after staring at this a while and reading through most of the posts, I still don't see a solid finish for white. The start seems pretty consistent for most: 31. Qxh6 gxh6 32. Nf6+ Kh8 33. Nxd7+ Ne5|
Crafty can be beaten with 34. Bxe5! dxe5 35. Rxf7! Kg8 36. Rxf8+! Rxf8 37. Rg3+ Kf7 38. Rf3+ Ke7 39. Nxf8 Rxb2 40. Ng6+ Kd6 41. Rf6+ Kxd5 42. Rxa6 .
|Feb-17-11|| ||zibik: <Once> <doubledrooks> <scormus> thanks for welcoming. And yes - Ne5 (the move I didn't notice) would spoil my great plan. I guess that's why I'm not a Geller.|
|Feb-17-11|| ||LIFE Master AJ: I guessed right away ...
I say guessed, as I could see no mate ... or crushing win after 31...Kg8.
***** ***** ***** *****
I got the following from the ChessBase (on-line) games database:
[White "Geller, Efim P"]
[Black "Polugaevsky, Lev"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be2 e5 7. Nb3 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. Be3 Qc7 10. Qd2 Be6 11. f4 exf4 12. Rxf4 Nbd7 13. Nd4 Ne5 14. Nf5 Rac8 15. Raf1 Rfe8 16. Bd4 Bf8 17. Bd3 Nfd7 18. Rh4 Ng6 19. Rh3 Nde5 20. Qd1 b5 21. Qh5 h6 22. Rg3 Kh7 23. Nd5 Bxd5 24. exd5 Nxd3 25. cxd3 Qb7 26. Kh1 Rc2 27. Ne3 Rd2 28. Ng4 Qd7 29. h4 Qe7 30. Re3 Qd7 31. Qxh6+ Kg8 32. Rxe8 1-0
|Aug-21-12|| ||LoveThatJoker: Guess-the-Move Final Score:
Geller vs Polugaevsky, 1961.
YOU ARE PLAYING THE ROLE OF GELLER.
Your score: 40 (par = 34)
|May-12-17|| ||zydeco: Not sure what White has after 26....Qxd5. 27.Rg5 is cute. Then what?|
|May-12-17|| ||Nerwal: <Not sure what White has after 26....Qxd5. 27.Rg5 is cute. Then what?>|
26...♕xd5 27. ♘xg7.
|May-12-17|| ||protonchess: @ LIFEMasterAJ : since Kg8 doesn't relieve the fork threat, white can play simply 32. Rxe8 Qxe8 33. Qxd2 and be a Rook +|
|May-13-17|| ||zydeco: <nerwal> Thank you. 27....Qxd4 28.Nxe8 Rxe8 29.Rxf7+|
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