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|Feb-13-13|| ||gambler: First one should evaluate the position:
Huge positional advantage for white. The pawn on d6 paralyzes black's defence. So I guess many good moves here.
Strategically, Playing on the open e file is not a good idea since this would solve many of blacks problems regarding the backrank. So if you wanna play it slow, pusing the h-pawn can actually be of use. However, there is an immediate threat:
The threat is, that after the recapture with the pawn (32. ... Qxg6 is impossible due to 33. Rg3) white has the strong move 33 Rh3.
And now what?
White threatens mate on h1, so the king has to move. You don't wanna move to e8, because this loses the Queen, so 33. ...Ke7 is forced, but now 34. Rh7 wins the Queen anyway.
So the line I suggest is:
32. Bxg6 hxg6 33 Rh3! Ke7 34. Rh7+ Kg8 35. Rh8+
and the Queen is won.
|Feb-13-13|| ||Oxspawn: <Morfishine: You can try what I use>
I am sure your advice is good but is it useful? I count the pieces and then consider checks and captures. But the last part is tricky <check all strong moves [always keeping in mind the opponent's immediate threat(s)>
I am reminded of Spike Milligan's advice to Churchill on winning World War 2, which went something like "beat the Germans and you will be well on the way". |
Would acting like a grandmaster between moves help? Where do I look? How often do I blow my nose? Is it OK to whistle the same two lines of Don't it Make your Brown Eyes Blue, repeatedly? Slurp my coffee? I can do all that. It is only the thinking bit I have trouble with.
|Feb-13-13|| ||whiteshark: Back in 1983 when living was easy...|
|Feb-13-13|| ||James D Flynn: Black is a pawn up and White’s back rank looks somewhat weak but White’s pieces are aggressively placed toward the Black K whereas Black’s pieces are cramped behind his own pawns and the White pawn on d6.
32.Bxg6 Qxg6(if hxg6 33,Rh3(threat 34.Qh8+ Kf7 35.Rh7# there is no answer to this threat) 33.Rg3 Rf8(threat Rf1#) 34.Rxg6+ hxg6 35.g4(White plans Qg5 and penetrating to e7 after Kg7 or Kh7 the R therefore cannot be allowed on f5) Rf2 36.Qg5 Kg7 37.Qd8 Rf8(not Ba6 38.d7)38.Qc7+ Kh6 39.Kg2(to deny the Black R entry and defend the g4 pawn by h3)Kg5 40.h3 Now the Q will win the Black Q-side pawns and march his own Q =side pawns to victory.|
|Feb-13-13|| ||Abdel Irada: <Would acting like a grandmaster between moves help? Where do I look? How often do I blow my nose? Is it OK to whistle the same two lines of Don't it Make your Brown Eyes Blue, repeatedly? Slurp my coffee? I can do all that.>|
That's only a start, and will only get you up to master level.
For IM and above, you must add:
•reacting with vociferous complaints to the *way* your opponent is moving his pieces (especially if he's beating you at the time);
•sticking two fingers up your nose to the second knuckle in an apparent attempt to mine for plutonium;
•emitting mucus-intensive snorting sounds while indignantly insisting that you have neither cold nor allergies, leaving others to infer your real motivations;
•collecting "hostages" in the form of captured pieces in your lap, perhaps in the hope of critically delaying your opponent's pawn promotion;
•depositing pieces on the intersections between two or more squares and hoping your opponent will fail to guess where they're supposed to be;
•poising your hand so close over the clock button that your opponent isn't sure if you've punched it yet....
|Feb-13-13|| ||morfishine: <Oxspawn> Actually, the very first thing I do is look for a pattern and try to solve the puzzle straight away; If that fails, I resort to going thru the "checklist" (1) check all checks (2) check all captures & (3) check all strong moves, in that order. All the time we are looking for a pattern, something familiar that 'sticks out'. |
For example, I got stuck last Tuesday, and spent lots of time on the check 1.Rh8+; Only after I realized it was futile did I then look for captures, then moves. Turned out, the move 1.Bf6 did the trick cutting off e7.
Or another example, last Sunday, there weren't any checks (29...Qxg2+ is silly here) to look at, so I could go straight to captures; The two captures 29...Bxb3 & 29...Bxc5 were no good since the Black Queen is en prise; That left 29...Bxf3 which looked great since the Black rook is now ready to check 30.Rd1+ and d5 is open for our Knight. If the capture 29...Bxf3 had been refuted, I would've been forced to move the Black Queen since its under attack. So, its all a progression, eliminating possibilities.
The thing too about finding a strong, winning move, you may find an alternate solution, albeit slower, but still a solution.
At least for me, going thru a fixed checklist, while dogmatic, has made me a better solver; I think I'm better than I was 2 years ago.
|Feb-13-13|| ||dufferps: I think Jansa would have had a chance with 32... Qzg6. White should still win, but the options and variations are much more complex and difficult. The response, 32... hxg6, leaving white with his active Rook and Queen and a clear h-file offers black NO CHANCE.|
|Feb-13-13|| ||kevin86: The end is so brutal,it is almost comical:34...♔f7 35 ♖f3+ ♔e8 36 ♖xf8+ ♔d7 37 ♖xd8+ ♔c6 38 ♖xc8 ♔xd6 and black is down a mere queen and rook for a pawn.|
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|Feb-13-13|| ||kevin86: Or white can mate quicker by :34...♔f7 35 ♖h7+ ♕g7 36 ♕xg7+ ♔e8 and white can mate in five ways!|
|Feb-13-13|| ||BOSTER: This <POTD> shows what a great success has Nimzo's strategy which is called <centralization>.
I'd say the queen e5 could win the Miss Universe even 30 years after this event.
What is not clear how black didn't see 10...Bxc3+ in-between check.|
|Feb-13-13|| ||patzer2: Perhaps 23...Kh8? was Black's decisive mistake.
Instead, 23...e5! (position below),
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targeting the isolated d-pawn, opening up the diagonal for the Bishop, and not weaking the King position, seems like a better idea.
From this position (after 23...e5!) play might go 24. Rd1 Bd7 25. Bf3 Rf8 , with Black having a strong grip on the position and excellent winning chances.
|Feb-13-13|| ||patzer2: <BOSTER> Appreciate your instructive comment on the missed in-between (a.k.a. zwischenzug, intermezzo, intermediate move) checking move 10...Bxc3+! =.|
P.S.: Some authors make a distinction between an in-between move and an in-between check, and for examples like this it's a helpful distinction.
|Feb-13-13|| ||morfishine: Good insight <BOSTER> not playing 10...Bxc3+ was a huge oversight|
|Feb-13-13|| ||David2009: W Schmidt vs Jansa, 1983 White 32?|
Too late at night and I am missing everything. Setting the position
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up on Crafty End Game Trainer, ineractive link http://www.chessvideos.tv/endgame-t...,
I had expecteed 32.Bxg6 Qe7 when 33.Bf7+ wins. Instead the EGT plays the simple 32...Qxg6 33.Rg3 Rf8 and the simple-minded 34.Rxg6+ hxg6 35.h4 runs into Rf7 36.g4 Kh7 and White has work to do to earn the point.
|Feb-13-13|| ||National Master Dale: I think usually not playing 10...Bxc3+
is normal and intentional since it puts blacks king in danger after 11.Bd2 Bxd2 12.Qxd2
|Feb-13-13|| ||jovack: I liked the rook answer first, but realized after that you could mate with queen check.|
|Feb-14-13|| ||sorokahdeen: <Morphshine>
Maybe black didn't like the smell of bxc3+ Bd2, Bxd2 +, Qd2, Nb4/a5/b8, when white has Qg6 with the idea of Ng5 and after f6, h4 and h5 to try and force further weaknesses in black's king-position.
The weakness of the dark squares around black's king with both the knight at f6 and the bishop at g7 missing create a need to shift defenders to the king's position in a hurry and black might not have time to avoid a devastating attack of some kind, including some variations involving a queen's-side rook-lift followed by a transfer to the king's side.
Those variations might be worth a pawn.
|Feb-14-13|| ||sorokahdeen: <Patzer2>
Instead of ..23e5. 24 Rd1, consider 24. Rf1 with the idea of answering ...24Qd6 with 25. Qf3 attacking both the Rook on A8 and the f7 square.
I don't know that this will lead to white's ultimate happiness but it will certainly give black things like Qf7+ to think about.
|Feb-14-13|| ||morfishine: <sorokahdeen> Good point about leaving the White c-pawn; However, after 10...Bxc3+ 11.Bd2 Bxd2+ 12.Qxd2 Nb8 13.Qg5, Black has <13...Qa5+>; So, if 14.Kf1 f6 15.Qh6 Nd7, Black threatens the a-pawn or he could pursue the plan b6 followed by Ba6;|
I guess its a matter of taste or how much guts one has to play this line
|Feb-14-13|| ||patzer2: <National Master Dale><sorokahdeen> Good analysis. After a second look, I agree with you and now prefer the game continuation to the attempt to snatch a pawn with the inbetween checking sequence 10...Bxc3+ 11.Bd2 Bxd2+ 12.Qxd2 .|
<morfshine> After 10...Bxc3+ 11.Bd2 Bxd2+ 12.Qxd2 Nb8 13. h4! to I prefer White's position. Black is on the defensive struggling to survive a strong attack, with no prospects for strong counter play in sight.
|Feb-14-13|| ||patzer2: <sorokahdeen> After 23...e5, your suggestion 24. Rf1 Qxd6 25. Qf3 does improve over the line I suggested.|
Fritz 12 gives the following difficult continuation which seems to fizzle out to a drawish middle game after 23... e5! 24. Rf1 Qxd6 25. Qf3 Rb8! 26. Qf7+ Kh6!27. Rd1 Rb7! 28. Qe8 Qe6 29. Qf8+ Rg7 30. Rd3 Qg8 31. Qf2 Rf7 32. Qe3+ Kg7 33. Qxe5+ Rf6 34. Rd6 Qf8 35. Rc6 Bd7 36. Rc7 Kg8
37. h3 Qd6 38. Qxd6 Rxd6 39. Rxa7 Rd2 40. Bf1 Kf7 41. Rb7 Rd6 42. Kg1 h5 .
However, I must admit Black's moves are tricky and difficult to find in this sequence, with several possibilities of losing quickly with one slip up. So I can see why Black might have wanted to avoid this possibility. Still, if Black can find the follow-up moves, 23...e5! seems to hold for Black and definitely improves over the game continuation.
|Feb-14-13|| ||patzer2: <David 2009> Here's a winning line against Crafty:|
32. Bxg6 Qxg6 33. Rg3! Rf8 34. h3! Rf7 35. Rxg6+ hxg6 36. Qe4! Kg7 37. Qa8 Bd7 38. Qxa7 b5 39. cxb5 Bxb5
40. Qxc5 Bd7 41. a4! Kf6 42. Qf2+ Kg7 43. Qd4+ Kg8 44. a5 Bb5 45. a6 Bc6 46. a7 Rf1+ 47. Kh2 Rf8 48. Qb6 Bd5 49. d7 Kg7 50. d8=Q Rxd8 51. Qxd8 .
|Feb-14-13|| ||BOSTER: <National master Dale>,
<Sorokahdeen> , <Patzer2>
After 10...Bxc3 11.Bd2 Bxd2+ 12.Qxd2 knight can play not N a5,not Nb4, not Nb8 but simple Nd4! and return the pawn after Nxd4 cxd4 Qxd4 and white has no any attack!
You can only dream about the position with Qh6 and Ng5.|
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