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|Oct-03-04|| ||aw1988: Bah! Another grandmaster draw! I tell you, these people make no effort... :) |
|Oct-03-04|| ||nikolaas: <aw1988> Is THIS a grandmaster draw!? I think there happens something in this game ==> it's NOT a grandmaster draw. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||kevin86: The pun really fits this one! This is a very exciting game-especially being less than 15 moves. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||aw1988: <nikolaas> Oh come now, where else have you seen so little excitement? :) |
|Oct-03-04|| ||nikolaas: Winawer vs S Rosenthal, 1883
Capablanca vs Teichmann, 1911
Petrosian vs Smyslov, 1956
A Greet vs G Jones, 2004
Akobian vs H Nakamura, 2004
and many, many more.
|Oct-03-04|| ||IT4LICO: nikolaas theese draws are not so exciting:) |
|Oct-03-04|| ||ughaibu: IT4LICO: if so decide who won. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||Giancarlo: wow, never thought a draw could turn out this nice this early ;-) |
|Oct-03-04|| ||DanielBryant: Games such as this and Hamppe-Meitner still satisfy- the beauty outweighs the lack of decisiveness. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||WMD: Students of drawn games should try and locate the book Draw! by Wolfgang Heidenfeld. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||sneaky pete: 10... Ne5 11.Rxe5 Be6 12.Bg8 Qh4 13.Ng6 Qxd4+ 14.Ke2 Bd6 0-1 in Th.Tronhjem vs B.Christensen, corr Denmark, 1984. Christensen suggests this is a refutation of the drawing line 6.Nxf7 .. but I doubt it. White should play 13.Bf7+ .. instead of 13.Ng6? .. and he might have tried 12.Bg6+ .. with an unclear position.|
The Zaitsev (Igor, not his brother Alexander as it says in the box next to the diagram) vs Karpov game is of course a pre-arranged spectacular draw, as is for instance Keene vs Pfleger, 1974. It shouldn't be compared with the real games in the Heidenfeld collection, but rather be regarded as an entertaining variation on 1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.cxd5 .. draw as played by 2 great Scots some moons ago.
|Oct-03-04|| ||DhavalVyas: Interesting game. I've never seen it before. |
|Oct-03-04|| ||misguidedaggression: Almost forgot this one: J Hohmeister vs T Frank, 1993 |
|Oct-04-04|| ||kevin86: Speaking of draws,The NHL and the NHL players' association--with their mongoose and cobra act--makes my mouth water for a 2-2 tie hockey game :( |
|Dec-12-04|| ||JohnBoy: Two more classic draws:
Gligoric vs Fischer, 1961 (very famous)
Grefe vs Tarjan, 1973 (not so well known, but excellent)
|Mar-27-05|| ||peanut: <aw1988: Bah! Another grandmaster draw! I tell you, these people make no effort... :)> You said it pretty good Scrooge. Hehehe... |
|Jan-22-09|| ||WhiteRook48: excellent drawing technique. Kramnik should look at this one. :-)|
|Feb-28-09|| ||WhiteRook48: why are there so many GM draws?|
|Jun-08-09|| ||chillowack: This is not a "grandmaster draw." A GM draw is when the players play a few perfunctory moves, often not even making it out of the theory book, and then agree call it a day. GM draws are the bane of top-level chess!|
I realize some people here are just joking when they say this is a GM draw, but just in case any of the newbies are getting confused, I wanted to clarify the definition of a GM draw.
This is definitely not a GM draw: it's spectacular and beautiful, quite possibly composed beforehand, but no less artistic for that.
|Jun-08-09|| ||WhiteRook48: I mean why are so many GM games prearranged?|
|Jun-08-09|| ||Marmot PFL: < WhiteRook48> Here's another one - J Becerra-Rivero vs M Khachiyan, 2009|
|Jul-29-09|| ||suenteus po 147: <Phony Benoni> This is the game that is duplicated almost 15 years later in the 1980/81 USSR Championship as Chekhov-Makarichev. No doubt they were having some fun recalling this game in their inconsequential last round encounter of that later tournament.|
|Jul-29-09|| ||Phony Benoni: <suenteus po 147> And, as <Marmot PFL> noted, in J Becerra-Rivero vs M Khachiyan, 2009. As I said, I suspect this is all theory.|
In fact, I'm sort of suspicious of Karpov playing this line at all, even at age 15.
|Aug-15-09|| ||WhiteRook48: no it's a champion draw|
|Jul-21-18|| ||Albion 1959: This has the smell of what Fischer would call a "pre arranged game". This is almost certainly theory and not found over the board. For example, Zaitsev's 7th move Nxh8 forces Qe7 and what follows. Don't tell me that he worked all this out over the board only to conclude that is a perpetual check nine moves later! If he was really trying for a win, then surely 7.Qe2 is the way to bypass what then followed?|
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