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| Dec-13-03 | | N. Cline Plane: A win for Karpov? -- let me quote from the esteemed GM Nigel Davies's article on Bobby Fischer: "I witnessed one blatant example of Soviet 'pressure' in an active chess qualifier in Gijon, Spain (1988). Leonid Yudashin checkmated Karpov and then, after the boys had a quiet word with Yudashin after the game, he and the appeal committee agreed to a replay." This is available free online at Davies's website, http://tigerchess.nigeldavies.net/A... which I am NOT advertising - just proving I didn't make this up. |
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| Jun-14-05 | | acdc: your link doesn't work |
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| Dec-28-05 | | seeminor: Yes the same text is in Davies book on Fischer's comeback. Soviet cheating doesnt seem so far fetched in the light of this. |
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| Jan-03-06 | | Akavall: How often does Karpov get checkmated? and how exactly did they replay the game? and where is the other game that Yudashin won? |
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| Jan-05-06 | | seeminor: thats the point, the game was expunged because Karpov got checkmated (and embarrased), so no record exists. |
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| Jan-05-06 | | ughaibu: Seeminor: You dont believe this story do you? |
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| Jan-05-06 | | Karpova: Yudasin is still alive so if this were true he could (would) probably confirm that. |
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| Jan-05-06 | | ughaibu: I expect he could (would) deny it. |
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| Jan-05-06 | | Karpova: yes, i didn't want to express that i thought this imputation was true. he wouldn't have to fear anything and therefore could say the truth. |
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| Jan-06-06 | | seeminor: But why would Davies say he witnessed it if he knew that Yudasin could come out and say "that never happened". It would have been easier to say "a player at the tournament told me...........". I cant say for certain the story is true because i wasnt there. |
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| Jan-06-06 | | ughaibu: Of course it's not true. Think about the situation and wonder how it is that none of the other players, the organisers, spectators, people wandering around selling ice cream and cigarettes, etc, have thought that anything at all remarkable happened. In fact the only person who even noticed what would appear to be a rather noticeable event was this Nigel Davies. |
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| Jan-06-06 | | weltschmertz: i happen to know yudasin... a very nice man by the way... i will ask him about this next wednesday, when i see him next... |
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| Jan-06-06 | | Jack Kerouac: Karpov should be punched just on general principle.
Victor would agree. |
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| Jan-07-06 | | seeminor: Why would Karpov allow someone to say this if it wasnt true? thats libel! Surely if it didnt happen nothing would be easier than to get Yudasin to say "this never happened" and for that matter everybody involved in the tournament organisation to do the same. I dont understand the silence. |
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Jan-07-06
 | | Joshka: <weltschmertz> Well did you get to ask him? I remember reading about this a few years ago, and damn, I wished I had remembered this incident, cause I would have asked Karpov himself when I met him in August of 2004 at the Chess Hall of Fame. |
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Jan-07-06
| | Joshka: <seeminor> I have Nigel's book on the "5 million" comeback, published by Cadogan Chess, cannot find the text in which he discusses this incident? |
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| Jan-07-06 | | ughaibu: Seeminor: Why are you surprised if there's silence about something that never happened, seems natural to me. |
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| Jan-07-06 | | Karpova: <seeminor>
karpov may not be aware of this accusation or he might have already made a statement.
it could also be possible that he considers this accusation to be completely ridiculous and therefore no requirement for a statement. If someone claimed Karpov to be an evil Borg, do you think he would give him an answer? |
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Jan-07-06
| | Joshka: Another point to make, for what it's worth, Nigel writes in the "5 million Comeback" book, about an incident that has Fischer driving a green jeep to a lady's home to meet up with Benko, whom was staying as a guest of this lady Betty Roberts. Now we have all read and heard that Bobby didn't drive. But I have also seen somewhere on some Fischer site a photocopy of Fischer's Nevada Driver's License. So, when we are dealing with a legend its amazing how things we have always believed may not always be true. If this Betty Roberts story is not totally legit, could this Karpov incident be made up? |
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| Jan-07-06 | | ughaibu: According to Chessmetrics the only game between these two players in 1988 was in the USSR championship in Moscow http://www.endgame.nl/moscow88.htm The result was a draw. Anyone know anything about this Gijon 1988 event? |
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Jan-07-06
 | | Sneaky: <weltschmertz: i happen to know yudasin... a very nice man by the way... i will ask him about this next wednesday, when i see him next...> All in all, a very unremarkable incident (notice how Davies says 'one example'... I'm sure any GM active during that period could regale us with many more accounts of Soviet backroom dealings.) In any case I am very curious what Yusadin has to say about it. If he denies it, then I would say it's probably bunk, but if he affirms it then everybody (except of course ughaibu) should be pretty well convinced. So this was an active qualifier? What were the time controls for this game--30 minutes per side or something like that? |
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Jan-07-06
| | Sneaky: <How often does Karpov get checkmated?> A lot more often than the world will ever know ;-) |
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| Jan-07-06 | | ughaibu: Sneaky: This was the first European active championship, sounds to me like a fairly high profile event. So far I cant find any other source backing up Davies' claim. If Yudasin can explain how it was done so that nobody other than Davies has found it worth remarking on, I'll believe him. |
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| Jan-07-06 | | weltschmertz: Joshka,
i will see yudasin on wednesday, jan 11th, and i will ask him about this incident... i'm sure he'll give me the skinny on the whole matter, if indeed anything out the ordinary did occur. |
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| Jan-07-06 | | Prugno: My first post here, but I want to share what I remember about this story!
It was a crucial game in the Rapid Chess European Championship. Apparently Karpov had a good position but overlooked a mate in one. However Yudasin was so excited that he started delivering the mate BEFORE Karpov had pressed the clock, even though he had released the piece and so would have been forced to move anyway.
Karpov would probably have accepted the loss, since he had no grounds for any complaint. The real scandal was the behaviour of the arbiter and organizers, who preferred the world n°2 to win the championship instead of an outsider, and so ordered the game to be replayed on grounds of "unsporting behaviour" by Yudasin or something like that.
The (predictable) result was the game you see above, and Karpov became European Rapid Chess champion.
I might be wrong about a few details, but several magazines reported on the incident at that time, so it should be easy for a collector to check it out. |
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