Dec-14-02
 | | refutor: furman tried to take it to spassky, and spassky kept his head and defended cooly and furman ran out of material :) what's your opinion on playing against the king's gambit? should you try and take it to white? as black, i always let the attack come to me, and then try to win the endgame |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Kulla Tierchen: Depends who you are sitting with. |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Kulla Tierchen: I like the Fischer Defense. If white does not bungle it, you have to equalize first as black. |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Kulla Tierchen: Consider 7...Nf6 8. Nf6 gf 9. c3 Bf3 10. gf c5 11. Qb3. |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Sabatini: What if 10…Nd7? |
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| Dec-14-02 | | judokausa1: The fischer defence is quite sound but it is by no means a refutation. The king's gambit is dangerous for both sides. One slip by either party and the other side generally crashes through. As far as endings go the king's gambit is a text book queen side majority advantage for white. The KG is very thematic. White develops quickly and puts the pressure on black. Black tries to hope white over extends. If your a more tactical player the 3... g5 lines are very double edged. (ie.1. e4 e5 2. f4 ef 3. Ng3 g5 4. h4 ) |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Kulla Tierchen: Fischer backed off his refutation claim. |
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| Dec-14-02 | | Kulla Tierchen: If 10...Nd7 which is better than my move, then 11. Bd2. |
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| Jan-02-03 | | drukenknight: the move 3 Nc3 is referred to as the "Mason gambit" in MacDonalds recent book and "Keres Gambit" by my 1957 MCO. According to MacDonald Spassky only played this odd looking variation once in his career. I have looked at it a little bit, the Q check looks bad but white seems to hold. There are some tricky sacks in this for black if he is a bold player. SOme of them involve sacking the R on a8 with the B on e7 (not d6 as played here). Here is an amusing miniature that illustrates that theme; as with most miniatures it is more for amusement purposes and there are probably a lot of unsound moves in here: 1. e4 e5 2. f4 exf4 3. Nc3 Qh4+ 4. Ke2 Nc6 5 NF6 Qh5 6 Nd5 Be7 7 Nxf7+ Kd8 8 Nxa8 Nd4+ 9 Ke1 Bh4+ 10 Nxh4 Qxh4+ 11 g3 fxg3 etc. |
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| Jan-02-03 | | drukenknight: BTW: what is supposed to be the continuation in the final position? |
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| Jan-02-03 | | mdorothy: well.. black's down a bishop for a pawn. I think thats enough to resign against spassky.. but I haven't found any definate line that I'd stick to yet. |
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| Jan-03-03 | | ughaibu: Spassky can force off the queens then I think he should win quite easily. |
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| Jan-04-03 | | drukenknight: It's was a trick question. Furman lost this one on time! (according to Neil MacDonald in The Kings Gambit: A Modern View...) But I guess you are right, the game looks lost anyhow. What about 13...Qf5+? Shouldnt black keep attacking rather than trying to regroup? Its funny that SPassky moves his K to d3 in this game; in the miniature I mention above, white would be better off moving the K to d3 on the 9th move. |
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| Jan-04-03 | | judokausa1: Actually in the king's gambit the removal of the f pawn is a must. In addition strange king moves such as Kd3 are common. Also I would warn anyone that plays the black side of the KG to be very careful about early queen checks. While it might seem good very often white forces the queen to move with tempo and quickly builds an attack on the f file. IMO one of the hardest defenses to deal with is the declined Bc5 line and the Be7 line in the accepted. Both are very sound and very irksome. Also I would suggest Gallagher's book winning with the king's gambit if you want futher info. |
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| Jan-04-03 | | drukenknight: yes the Cunningham line 2...exf4 3 Nf3 Be7 is tough to handle. Most white players will allow an immediate check on h4 by the B but only for one move. SOmetimes I will fortify the h4 spot as white by moving h4 and holding that pawn w/ R/B. |
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| Oct-08-03 | | drukenknight: it looks like 8...Bxf3+ and white has to recapture with the pawn because whites Q is loose. After Bxf4 the Q is held. |
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| Sep-11-04 | | Hidden Skillz: 4.Ke2..that is just painful to look at..Bd6 blunder?? |
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| Sep-11-04 | | Swindler: Isn't this Steinitz gambit in the Vienna? Refuted a long time ago if I remember correctly. |
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| Dec-08-04 | | InspiredByMorphy: 14. ...cxd6? Black should have played 14. ...Nc5+ or 14. ...Qf5+ It looks to me as though black then has an attack. |
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| Dec-08-04 | | drukenknight: Hey speaking of Mason var. looks at this odd Kings Gambit from a few minutes ago. Features the quiet d4 and looks similar, strange pawn formation after 5 moves, but crap computer says its okay. 1. e4 e5
2. f4 exf4
3. Nf3 g5
4. d4 Qe7 (only one game I found w/ this move, Bowdler/Bourdelais 1788?) 5. Nc3 (Bowdler played Bd3) g4
6. Ne5 Qh4+
7. Kd2 Qf2+
8. Kd3 Nc6
9. Nb5 Nxe5+
10. dxe5 Qc5
still a good game, white finally messed up and was going to exchange pieces, at the same time I had a check and he left his B en prise... |
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| Dec-09-04 | | sneaky pete: <drukenknight> You are referring to D Bowdler vs De Beaurevoir, 1788. 4.d4 .. is called Rosentreter gambit. The main line 4... g4 5.Ne5 Qh4+ 6.g3 fxg3 7.Qxg4 .. was developed in the 1880ies. 4... Qe7 is a loss of time if black continues 5.. g4 etc. |
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| Dec-09-04 | | drukenknight: OH that's Rosentreter? I've heard of it. It's like an appendix in the Kings gambit book on the shelf. See ...g4 I would normally play myself against the main lines, but lately everyone's been playing Bc4 so naturally Ive been putting the Q out there on e7. I figured that would be a good place for her, but now I think about it maybe 4...d6? |
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| Nov-01-06 | | PolishPentium: A suggestion for Black: 21...Nxb4+. Oh wait, never mind. The King moves out of check and creates a discovered check by the White Q on the exposed file against the opposing King. Sigh, my great ideas always turn out to be not-so-great...^^ |
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| Apr-02-08 | | benba57: Don't worry PolishPentium, everyone has considered that move in this game. |
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Sep-10-12
 | | BishopofBlunder: I love the King's Gambit. But then, I also prefer black & white films. |
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