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| Apr-14-06 | | think: I realize that the text move is probably the strongest, but is there anything wrong with 29. ... Nxe5
That is what I saw. |
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Apr-14-06
 | | An Englishman: Good Evening: After recognizing that the opening had to be a French, I saw both Black's move and White's best response. Quite a lot of fight left in White's game. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | shaikh123: didn't get nowhere near of that. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | RandomVisitor: 29...Qb2 30.Qc2! Now who can show the win for Black? Hint - if you play 30...Qxa1 I play 31.Bxa3. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | CitricAcid13: I also like the 29 ... Nxe5 line, also Nxd4 looks good to me. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | Tariqov: <RandomVisitor>After 29..Qb2 30.Qc2Qxa1 31.Bxa3Rxf4 ,i don't see any refutation. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | Tariqov: <think>After 29...Nxe5 30dxe5 isn't black in a bad shape??e.g 30..Rxf4 31.Nxf4Qxf2+ 32Kh3,All he can do is perpetual check. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Tarigov>White would then play 32.Bd6+! followed by gxf4 with advantage to white. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | Confuse: wow, those pieces really plugged each other up! nice game. nice puzzle, confusing. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | RandomVisitor: <Tarigov>32.Bd6+ Kc8(32...Kb6 33.Qc5+ leads to mate; 32...Kd8 33.gxf4 and the g-pawn is threatening to promote) 33.gxf4 and the g-pawn is pushed. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | nolanryan: <Randomvisitor> what about 29... Qb2 30 Qc2 Rxf4
The trick still applies, plus black has the threat of Rxf2+ followed by RxN |
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| Apr-14-06 | | yataturk: Brilliant move. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | RandomVisitor: <nolanryan>31.Qxd1 and now: a) 31...Rxf2 32.Kxf2 Qxa1 33.Qd3 and the passed g-pawn is compensation for the exchange - evaluation is even
b) 31...Qxa1 32.Bxf4 b5 33.g6
c) 31...Rxd4 32.Nxd4 Qxa1 33.Nb5+ favors white
in any case there is no advantage to Black |
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| Apr-14-06 | | nolanryan: <randomvisitor> In case a) I'd take black. Black sets his rook up on g8. The white pawn can't progress easily past g6 because the white queen doesn't want to leave the b1-h7 diagonal in order to protect the b1 bishop. Meanwhile black's b pawn can quickly make the journey b5, b4 with even grander ideas. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | nolanryan: To dwell on this a bit more, I think in case a) black will have to do b5, b4, before Rg8. But this basic idea gives black the advantage I think. Anyway <randomvisitor> Qc2 is a neat line! Is there a better response than Rxf4? |
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| Apr-14-06 | | zabbura2002: 29. ... Nxe5 white has 30. Qc2+ which can win a knight and defends b2 square at the same time. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | oahuchess: easy
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| Apr-14-06 | | ganstaman: I like positions like this (after 29.Rf4). You don't even have to be told whose move it is, or who is going to win. A quick glance at the board and you notice white's first rank. From this you can deduce that it is white who will lose. Often, these puzzles will have positions where you can tell who's losing without analyzing the position, simply because one side has their pieces somewhat ridiculously placed. It's always fun to see pieces like this. |
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Apr-14-06
 | | Richard Taylor: I found Qb2 fairly easily but not the continuation of the game -it was pretty complex but Qb2 looked winning. |
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Apr-14-06
| | Richard Taylor: I think that Black worked here more by judgement and intuition of the position than calculation (only) -most variations must have looked winning - but it's close - White has some threats and nearly gets a Queen -so Qb2 was courageous and inspired. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | ongyj: <zabbura2002> 29...Nxe5 30.Qc2 Nc4!? Looks very interesting in my opinion, almost in an 'infinite' situation. <RandomVisitor> Thanks for bringing it up. From what I can see now it really seems that 30.Qc2 is at least MUCH better from what was played in this game anyway, so I too reckon another serious look. I think the most important point to remember is that the a1 Rook is unsavable for White, so White's priority is to minimise material losses(remember Black's threating pawn promotion too). Again, I'm extremely impressed by the follow up moves <RandomVisitor> posted here. First I'll like to discuess the great idea of 30.Qc2 Qxa1 31.Bxa3!? (Perhaps computer-style calculations may show that this is a wrong move, but the ideas behind it at least deserves a !? IMO.) If 31...Rxa3 32.Rxf8 White achieves the idea of reducing material losses, with a much more promising position that if I was player White I would definitely play it to the bitter end:) Also, I think <RandomVisitor> said more than enough with his recommended continuations of 31...Rxf4 32.Bd6+!?(Again this move at least guarantees a position that if I'm White I'd never give up) followed by gxf4. While I'll like to highlight that upon this position Black Queen actually gets a little stuck and White has somewhat took over the initative, I'll not be so optimistic and conclude that White is up here. Looks more like an infinite position to me. And if that's not all, I simply can't believe the recommendations upon 30...Rxf4 31.Qxd1!? This recommendation definitely defienes the difference in vision between <RandomVisitor> and <ongyj> ! Even till now I can't fully digest the idea though what I can say at this point of time is that it seems White has minimised the material difference to a Rook for Knight. Considering other factors, Black Queen definitely lacks the scope for any form of active play and again, the resultant position is what I'll never give up as White, no matter the result of the game. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | ongyj: I hope there are actually people like myself who simply admires this form of mentality and creativity, especially at a practical game in a seeming 'down' position like this. <RandomVisitor> Thanks for the recommendations sparkling with 30.Qc2! (I won't even mind giving it a ! now considering how much practical counterplay it generated in a seemingly hopeless case.) If chessgames.com would ever organise a "Kibitzer's Brilliancy Prize" your comments and insight on this game would definitely be around the top of my voting list:) |
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| Apr-14-06 | | goldenbear: 19.Kd8! is beautiful. Black stands better. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | DeepBlade: Saw the move, pretty much based on the a3 pawn. |
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| Apr-14-06 | | Tariqov: <RandomVisitor>I see.. your Bd6! refutes my analysis,didn't see that.But it think <nolanryan>'s 30Qc2Rxf4! refutes yours,e.g 31Qxd1Rxd4 32Nxd4Qxd4!? 33Qxd4Nxd4 is winning for Black,white's passed pawn is easily stopped,and Black has a possibility of getting a strong one on the Queenside. |
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