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Jul-06-14 | | raju17: Greatest chess player lady. |
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Jul-06-14 | | Nick46: J.P. Justice of the Pieces. |
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Jul-06-14 | | sofouuk: only have rybka 2.2 on this machine, but it's genuinely impressive to see how hard it finds this puzzle. even after forcing its hand with 24...Bxf3, although it quickly finds the game continuation to 27.Kh1, it still takes its time to realise that 27...Bc5 is crushing you do have to wonder how much judit worked out and how much of it was intuition (which only makes it more impressive, of course) - there are an awful lot of potential ways to defend |
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Jul-06-14 | | patzer2: In the final position (diagram below), it's mate-in-three or less for Black. Vadim Ruban - Judit Polgar, PCA Qualifiers 1993
 click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12 (30.? White to move):
1. (-#3): 30.Rxf2 Qxf2 31.Qc2 Rxd1+ 32.Qxd1 Qg2#
2. (-#2): 30.Red2 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
3. (-#2): 30.Nc3 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
4. (-#2): 30.c5 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
5. (-#2): 30.a3 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
6. (-#2): 30.Qc2 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
7. (-#2): 30.Ree1 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
8. (-#2): 30.Rc1 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
9. (-#2): 30.Rf1 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
10. (-#2): 30.Rb1 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7#
11. (-#2): 30.Ra1 Qxh2+ 31.Kxh2 Rh7# |
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Jul-06-14
 | | Penguincw: At least I got 24...Bxf3. :) |
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Jul-06-14 | | patzer2: Even more surprising than Judit's powerful 24...Bxf3!!, in solving today's Sunday puzzle, is that such a natural positional move as 24. Nf1?? is a loser. After all, 24. Nf1 challenges for control of the open file and brings a piece to defense of the King side. What could possibly go wrong? A brilliant move by Judit Polgar, that even the computers initially have trouble seeing, is what goes wrong for White. Instead of 24. Nf1 ??, Fritz 12 at 20/50 depth assesses 24. Re2 = as level: Vadim Ruban - Judit Polgar, PCA Qualifiers 1993
 click for larger viewAnalysis by Fritz 12 (24.?) White to move:
1. = (0.00): 24.Re2 Bc8 25.Qa4 Rf6 26.Qxa7 Rh6 27.Kf1 Rd4 28.Qc5 Qh1+ 29.Kf2 Qh4+ 2. (-0.30): 24.fxg4 Rxd2 25.Re2 Rxd1+ 26.Qxd1 Rd8 27.Rd2 Rxd2 28.Qxd2 Qxg4 29.a3 Bf6 30.Qd6 Kg7 31.Kf1 Kg6 32.Qb8 f3 33.Qg8+ Kh5 3. (-0.46): 24.Qc2 Be6 25.Nb3 Bxc4 26.Na5 Bd3 27.Qf2 Bf6 28.Nxb7 Rb8 29.Rxd3 Qxf2+ 30.Kxf2 Bh4+ 31.Ke2 Bxe1 32.Kxe1 Rxb7 33.b3 |
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Jul-06-14 | | agb2002: This is the position #5333 of Laszlo Polgar's "Chess. Training in 5333+1 positions". |
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Jul-06-14 | | Chris321: Ya nice puzzle,white is finish after the pawn takes back the bishop and therefore opens up the gfile,but hes also finish if he doesnt take the white square bishop,its a choice of the devil or the deep blue sea,how do you prefer to die,the best move for white was to resign after the bishop sac. |
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Jul-06-14 | | SimonWebbsTiger: is there any point in blindly spewing out Fritz 12's analysis? Oh well, as a bit of interest, Polgar noted the following in Informator 59/605. 24. fxg4 Rxd2 25. Re2 Rxd1 26. Qxd1 Qxg4" "
24. Re2!? Be6 25. Qxb7 Re6 with the ideas Rg8 and Rh6 and attack. She regarded 18. Bh5 as the lemon. (18. Nf3) |
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Jul-06-14
 | | chrisowen: So f3 bag barter prey tell a flight across the h4 e1, waves to fly am gleans aim cred as good game to be had in cat of nine tails hints at soluable misison choose a wave doom and boom after go bind 24.Nf1 had to try rook up ply in holy light water should, be a drawn position have ignoble since good old h4
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Jul-06-14 | | Rookiepawn:  click for larger viewOK I arrived here and went for flashy 27 ... Rd2, messing it all up. |
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Jul-06-14 | | Rookiepawn: From my last diagram:
27 ... Rd2
28. Ne2 Qf2
29. Rg1 Rxg1+
30. Rxg1 Rxe2
Is this a winner or what...? |
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Jul-06-14 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<rookiepawn>
28. Re2 is far better, in your variation, than 28. Ne2 |
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Jul-06-14 | | Chris321: <chrisowen>huh,say again? :-) |
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Jul-06-14 | | patzer2: <SimonWebbsTiger> Thanks for Judit Polgar's informant analysis. After 24. Re2 and Judit's suggested 24...Be6 25. Qxb2 Rf6 , I've got to admit Black has the better of the position. I'll take Judit's Informant suggestion of 18. Nf3 as the best idea for White to improve and avoid Black's strong attack. |
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Jul-06-14
 | | Sally Simpson: Embarrassing Moment No 133 (the near miss):
When the sisters were just getting known CHESS did a 4 page spread on them. I fired off a letter saying something like 'big deal three girls can play chess, we will probably never hear of them again. Was it worth dropping four pages of games for this article?'
(or words to that effect.)
Thank Heavens B.H.Wood, the then editor, never published the letter. hi chrisowen,
"....or donkey up in light walks the walk it worm a fine gain to be had good in cupboard it ardent in as checkers..." I never thought of that. An excellent point. |
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Jul-06-14
 | | chrisowen: <Chris123> <Sally Simpson> Har,dharma strikes twice in feng shui. |
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Jul-06-14 | | Rookiepawn: <SimonWebbsTiger: @<rookiepawn>
28. Re2 is far better, in your variation, than 28. Ne2> True. So yes, I messed it up. Thanks.
(it's a long, long way until you get any good...) |
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Jul-06-14 | | patzer2: On a second look at Judit's suggested 24. fxg4 Rxd2 25. Re2 Rxd1 26. Qxd1 Qxg4 , I think White holds with 27. Rd2 to = (diagram below) click for larger viewBlack has the slightly better endgame with the two isolated White pawns, but it's far from a forced win for Black at this point. In any event, 24. fxg4 is surely better than the awkward 24. Re2 Fritz 12 initially calculated. |
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Jul-06-14 | | Cheapo by the Dozen: I overlooked the bishop getting to c5 in good tempo. Hence I didn't see a way to get past White's ability to cover g2 with one of the rooks (in the game line it would have been the e-rook). |
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Jul-07-14 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<rookiepawn>
Nice thought for a Monday:
I often listen to post-match interviews with the top players of a given sport. Federer and Djokovic played a blinder of a final at Wimbledon. It is worth remembering that they are this good, they make tennis look ridiculously easy, because of the many hours of proverbial "blood, sweat and tears" they have put in on the Circuit and the training Courts to develop their talent and skills, to be in those finals. |
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Jul-07-14 | | SimonWebbsTiger: @<patzer2>
Maybe that endgame isn't so clear after all because 27...Qxd1 28. Nxd1 allows the Knight to go to the better square d3 via f2. I would presume Judit would have kept Queens. Checking with Fritz 12, and letting it run for 10 minutes, it actually prefers a rook move, other than 26...Rd8 (line 2 in your earlier post), to Judit's suggested 26...Qxg4. So, it seems she need not have been in a hurry to recapture the g4-pawn, thus keeping pieces and pressure. It goes without saying Ruban was under severe pressure at the actual board and didn't have the leisurely time we have, armed with computers and software! |
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Jul-29-14 | | Ke2: White's opening seems kind of tepid. On move 15, he's simply getting pawn rollered on the the Kside without counterplay that I can see. Are there ideas I'm missing? |
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Nov-24-15 | | nummerzwei: <Ke2: White's opening seems kind of tepid. On move 15, he's simply getting pawn rollered on the the Kside without counterplay that I can see. Are there ideas I'm missing?>
Well, did you notice for example that 15...h5 gives up a pawn ( and hence can be referred to as a positional pawn sacrifice [ and a diabolical one at that])? If Judit hadn't taken such drastic measures White would have grabbed 'counterplay' by walking his knight to d6 by means of either c5,Nc4 or g4,gxf5,Nde4. Then all those pawn advances Black made on the kingside might just turn out weakening. Incidentally, this unpromising course is just what chess programs such as Stockfish recommend for Black, even today. At the same time, other engine suggestions are quite interesting, such as 18.b4 refusing to open the h-file for black and just getting on with his own plans as outlined above [After 18...h4 Black would still have chances on the kingside], and especially 17...exf4, which eyes a wholly different type of compensation for the pawn in the form of piece play ( ...Ne5 etc.)and gets much better computer evaluations than 17...gxf4. Does anybody know what contemporary notes (e.g. Informant) said in this regard? |
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Nov-11-21 | | Albertan: This game has been analyzed by IM Robert Ris at the following link: https://en.chessbase.com/post/my-fa... |
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