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| euripides: Stein refutes White's queen-side play on moves 12-14, getting a good passed a pawn and a nice square on c5. The White seems to miscalculate the forced variation he starts on move 17; the exchanges accentuate the strength of the a pawn. While 24 Qc1 Qxc1 would enable White to reach the ending, he probably can't stop the a pawn without losing material. The black knight can harrass the white rook and the bishop can't easily reach a2. Black could also consider staying in the middlegame. |
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| Marco65: <checkpat> I also think 25.Qa2 is a blunder. White might have played 25.Qc2 |
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| Hinchliffe: <checkpat> why queen 25.a2? To avoid Philidors smothered mate? No as Philidors mate doesn't quite exist at move 25. The black king can take the queen thereby eliminating the f2 square for the knight.Clearly the queen must avoid the knight and stay on the second rank. The threat of blacks rook occupying the b file is ominious to say the least. But in view of Stein's excellent knight move I think we have to perhaps cruelly say queen a2 is a blunder.White's only alternative appears to be queen c2 but this simply puts off the inevitable. |
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| euripides: If 25 Qc2 then <patzer>'s and <bernie>'s 25...Rb8 seems to work. |
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| starscream74: <euripides>I agree with your assessment that this game was lost by White because of his early attack on Black's Queen side. White's 9th and 10th moves were also questionable. Why waste two tempos removing a Knight posted in a bad location? Black is eventually going to want to relocate the Knight anyway. In addition, these moves created a pawn structure that could easily be broken up. Stein demonstrated this over the next four moves. My experiences in the King's Indian Fianchetto is that White's play is on the King side. A simple b3 is a much better move in the Yugoslav/Panno variations. It creates a solid Queen side pawn structure and allows White to focus on building a King side attack. |
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| patzer2: <offramp> Thanks for the compliment, but I'm not really "writing for the ages." For one thing, after so many years, Chessgames.com will delete these posts and start fresh. My purpose in summarizing the games and the winning tactics involved is to make it possible to do searches of kibitzes (currently restricted to premium members) to find games featuring winning combinations with specific tactical themes. P.S. Enjoyed reading your profile. The hyperbole suggests to me that you have a great sense of humor. |
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| Marco65: 25.Qc2 Rb8 26.Bf1 seems a good defence to me, you can't play 26...Rb2 in this variation |
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| RonB52734: <the beginner> <patzer2> <marvol> Actually, after 25...Rb8!, white's response in moving the a1 rook to f3, 26. Rf3?!, is quite strong, as it has the element of surprise :) |
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Feb-15-05
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| patzer2: Perhaps White's best chance to improve in this game was by avoiding the dubious 12. cxb4?!, creating a weak backward pawn on c4 and clearing Black's access to the c5 square for the Knight after 12...cxb4 13.axb4 a5 14.bxa5  . Better for White was 12.b5! h6 13.Qc2 Na5 14.Nc3 Qc8 15.Rfe1 a6 16.Rab1 axb5 17.Nxb5 Bxb5 18.cxb5 Ng4 19.Bxg7 Kxg7 20.h3 
(+0.56 @ 16 depth, Fritz 8), with a small but lasting advantage. |
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| euripides: <Patzer> if White closes the queen's side then Black shouuld seek counterplay elsewhere, so after 12 b5 I think Black should aim at Rb8 folowed by e5 or possibly e6 (not necessarily immediately). |
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| Timetraveller: <Marco65>: Why can't you play 26...Rb2 (after 25.Qc2, Rb8; 26.Bf1)? Both 27. Qxd3 Qf2, and 27.Bxd3, Rxc2; 28.Bxc2 Qc3 are crushing. |
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| Fulkrum: I saw the same line as ConLaMismaMano. For me sometimes chess imitates life. I tend to make it more complicated than it needs to be. 25...Nf2+ 26.Kg1 Nd1+ 27.Kh1 Qe1+ 28.Bf1 Qxf1# |
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Feb-15-05
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| patzer2: <checkpat><24 Qb2 is the fatal mistake...
24 Qc1 intending to swap Q was more resilient.> You are correct that 24. Qc1!? puts up more resistance than the game continuation. I also had initially thought it might hold, until Fritz 8's analysis convinced me White is still lost: 24.Qc1!? Qxc1+ 25.Rxc1 a4 26.Ra1 a3 27.Ra2 gxf5 28.Bf1 Kg7 29.Kg2 Kf6 30.Kf3 Ke5 31.Ke3 Ne4 32.Be2 Nc3 33.Ra1 Nxe2 34.Kxe2 Kd4–+. Other alternatives, such as 24. fxg6!?, also fail:
24.fxg6!? hxg6 25.Rf1 Rb8 26.Rf3 Qe4 27.Qxe4 Nxe4 28.Kg1 a4 29.Rf1 Nd2 30.Ra1 Ra8–+; 24.Qc1 Qxc1+ 25.Rxc1 a4 26.Ra1 a3 27.Ra2 gxf5 28.Bf1 Kg7 29.Kg2 Kf6 30.Kf3 Ke5 31.Ke3 Ne4 32.Be2 Nc3 33.Ra1 Nxe2 34.Kxe2 Kd4–+ |
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| Marco65: <Timetraveller> Because I didn't see your 27...Qf2! |
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| patzer2: <RonB52734> <Actually, after 25...Rb8!, white's response in moving the a1 rook to f3, 26. Rf3?!, is quite strong, as it has the element of surprise :).> Strong but illegal! I doubt even Capablanca or Fischer, in their pursuit of unusual chess variants, ever conceived the possibility of a Rook (or any piece for that matter) being able to make such a move. What is close (but lost) is 25...Rb8 26.Rf1 26...Rb2 27.Rf3 Nf2+! 28.Kg1 Nh3+ 29.Kf1 Qc1# |
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| Calculoso: <Fulkrum> As someone pointed out in that line earlier, 27. Kf1 is safer than 27. Kh1 as the f2 square is protected by white's queen at a2. Like many other people, I was focused on the smothered mate with the knight as opposed to just winning the game easily. Note - the smothered mate cannot be acheived as the white queen protects the critical f2. |
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| kevin86: <checkpat>I think you mean the smothered mate-aka:Philidor's Legacy. The other variations long tempting,but the Stein moves are best. The queen must move,but there are no safe squares to guard d1 or interpose at f1 or g1.To capture the knight would be fatl also. White's position is as dead as a hockey season.:( |
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| euripides: Another way for Black to try to win after 24 Qc1 is ith knight and rook. Originally I thought Black could cut off the bishop with the rook and knight but I'd missed the way the bishop can attack the knight on the d1-a4 diagonal. However, this line seems to win for Black (there may be errors !): 24 Qc1 Qxc1 25 Rxc1 a4 26 Ra1 a3 27 Ra2 Nd3 28 Bf3 (28 Be4 Ne4+) Nb4 29 Ra1 a2 (threatening Nc2) 30 Bd1 Ra3 31 f6 h5 (avoiding ...Rd3 32 Bc2 Nxc2 33 Rxa2 winning the knight because of the mate threat) 32 Kg1 (or Kg2 and Black gains a tempo from the check on the second rank) Rd3 (threatening Rxd1 and Nc2) 33 Ba4 Rd2 34 g4 Rb2 35 c5 Rb1+ 36 Kg2 Rxa1 37 cd Kf8. |
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| Fulkrum: Ah, yes is see. And like life I tend to make mistakes. |
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| DP12: After 25.Qc2 Rb8!? Rb1? Nf2+ Kg1 Nd1+ Kf1 Rxb1 0-1 My sense is that after 24 Qc1 the endgame looks extremely difficult for white due to his bad bishop and the passed a pawn. |
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| Feb-15-05 |
| Saruman: Very interesting...I have felt a bit neglected of late, and this is how <chessgames.com> thinks is the way I want to recieve attention...No thanks you dont have bring more atttention to my blunderanalysispost. |
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| dac1990: Wham! Right out of left center! |
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| Feb-15-05 |
| yoozum: I completely missed this one too. I kept on trying with Nf2 but that does not force mate. I thought I noticed a smothered mate, but the Queen sac doesn't do anything b/c the king can take and avoid it, not to mention the white queen protects f2. |
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| An Englishman: Good Evening: I thought the answer was 25...Rb8; 26.Rb1,Rb2. Stein's line is much better, and a fitting end to what must have been a Knight-mare for White. |
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Jan-19-07
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| notyetagm: What calculating skill by Stein in moves 16-23!
The <CONSECUTIVE CAPTURES> of the Black f6-knight sweep most of the pieces off of the board and leave Black with an ideal good knight versus bad bishop endgame. |
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