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|Feb-28-08|| ||whiteshark: <But don't quote me.>
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|Feb-28-08|| ||whiteshark: <beatgiant: 39...Rxa2 40. c5 dxc5 41. Rxc5 Rb8 42. Rc1 Rbb2 43. d6 Nd7 44. Rd3>
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Yes I think it's still unclear. I tried <44...Rd2 45. Rxf3 Ne5 46.Re3 Ra5 47.Rb1 Rxd6 48.Kf2>
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Black is a up, but all pawns are on the side, no passer. I think white shall hold this.
|Feb-28-08|| ||whiteshark: <beatgiant: 30...Ng7 31. Ra1 f5 32. gxf5 Rxf5 33. a4 Nh5 34. a5 Nf4 35. Qg3 d3 36. Bf1 Qd4>|
30...Ng7 looks like an interesting alternative of similar strength. But I wouldn't move 31.Ra1. Instead maybe 31.Be4
|Feb-28-08|| ||whiteshark: White's last chance to draw was <54.Re6 Kf4 55.Rxh6 Ra1 56.d6> |
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|Apr-06-08|| ||beatgiant: <whiteshark>
<White's last chance to draw>
You're probably right that 54. Re6 draws.
But I think Black can improve earlier. 50...f3?! looks premature. Pushing the pawn to f3 makes it overextended at this point. Probably Nimzo wanted to keep White's bishop immobilized, but after <50...Rxa2> White can't do much.
For example, 50...Rxa2 51. Be2 Kg5 52. Bf3 Nd7 53. Bg2 Ne5 54. c5 f3 55. Bf1 Kf4 looks like a better version of Black's attack.
|Apr-07-08|| ||beatgiant: <whiteshark>
<30...Ng7 looks like an interesting alternative of similar strength. But I wouldn't move 31.Ra1. Instead maybe 31.Be4>
My line was only an example. The point is after White plays the massively weakening 29. g4?!, we expect Black to get more than just a slightly better ending.
On 30...Ng7 31. Be5 Qc5, Black's also threatening to break through from the other side via ...Ra3. It looks like a very difficult position for White.
|Oct-16-08|| ||norcist: whats the idea behind Ba6?? Someone once told me that all it does is lose a tempo...however, it seems many many good players use this line|
|Oct-16-08|| ||Karpova: <norcist>
Robert Eugene Byrne says: <Kamsky used Aron Nimzovich's 4 . . . Ba6, instead of the standard fianchetto with 4 . . . Bb7, to make White decide how to defend the c4 pawn. Thus, 5 Qa4 may leave the queen misplaced later; 5 Qc2 invites 5 . . . c5, when 6 d5?! leads to a dubious gambit after 6 . . . ed 7 cd Bb7 8 e4 Qe7 9 Nc3 Nd5, and 5 Nd2 diverts the queen knight from its most effective post, c3. The move chosen by Karpov, 5 b3, is solid.>
Byrne is talking about Karpov vs Kamsky, 1996
|Oct-21-10|| ||LIFE Master AJ: Nice win by Nimzovich.|
|May-31-11|| ||FSR: This is the 14th pun of mine that CG.com has used since December 14, 2010: Game Collection: Puns I submitted. Two of my favorites among my 74 remaining pun submissions are Chandler vs V Wolf, 1985 (Hungary Like V. Wolf) and Short vs A A Lopez, 2008 (Short Lopez).|
|May-31-11|| ||Oceanlake: 7. Qxd2 is better.|
|May-31-11|| ||abstract: OMG.. Just lastnight I was cheking this game..|
|May-31-11|| ||Gilmoy: <norcist: whats the idea behind Ba6?? Someone once told me that all it does is lose a tempo...>
Many ideas in Nimzo-Indian hinge on clogging White's ideal piece flow. White would love to get b3, Bb2, Nc3; therefore, Black loves to force White to not do that.|
<4.g3 Ba6> White has telegraphed his intent to play Bg2; hence his B can't stay to defend c4, and <5.b3> he returns the tempo. Long-term, this tends to give White an immobile Q-side pawn structure. Also, it prevents Qb3 lines.
Now <5..Bb4+ 6.Bd2> Black forces the B off its strongest diagonal. 6.Nd2 Ne4 is the canonical Nimzo threat. The dropback 6..Be7 is also playable, and is called the "Intermezzo Check" line. Black hasn't lost a tempo because White's B is really poor on d2, and inevitably moves again.
<7..Bb7> is fine. This B did its dawn job (jog? :) by forcing White to commit. Now it's biting on granite at c4, so there's no point in staying, and it shifts to its day job.
<8..c5> Black doesn't fear a "bad" pawn structure: c5 isn't weak, and half-open b is more useful for his heavy pieces. a7's weakness doesn't matter, as he already plans the minority attack <15..a5 19..a4>. Then White's a2 turns out to be the real weakness.
Black's play is quite deep; he's doing stuff on moves 3-7 that he smoothly exploits from moves 10-25. That's fitting; he spent much of his career home-prepping this opening.
|May-31-11|| ||fokers13: actually while most people have a good point pointing out moves that they consider inprecise this is a very precise game for the most part and if i had to complain about black's play it would be at 31..Kg7? instead Nd7-Nc5 was much better and could guarantee a central pawnstorm that would have wiped out white|
|May-31-11|| ||AylerKupp: This game and the reasons for White's loss are superbly analyzed by Neil McDonald in his book "The Giants of Strategy". A highly recommended book, BTW. Starting at the position after White's 35.Kg2, he analyzes and contrasts the positions of all the pieces and the pawns and shows why White lost in spite of being a pawn up, having an outside passed pawn, and a bishop vs. knight advantage. Very, very instructive and eye opening.|
|May-31-11|| ||lemaire90: I don't get 57. Kh2... letting the bishop hang ?|
|May-31-11|| ||catfriend: <fokers> <Guarantee> is such a strong word ;) |
Yet another interesting point is 18..Qb7. 18..a4 19. bxa4 Qd7 is worth considering.
Instead of 19.Qd3, maybe f3, reinforcing the center, is better. Over-protection vs. Nimzowitsch!
I agree that 29.g4 looks ugly. If White was so desperate to gain counter-attacking chances, 29.f4 would be the move. Then, put a rook on f2 and push with f5!
Another opportunity to put a harder fight was at move 48. I don't really understand the Rb2-e2 dance. The straight-forward 48.Re2 Ne4 49. Bg2 might be suggested.
The final mistake, it seems, is 54.h4+? wasting a vital tempo. 54.Re6 Kf4 doesn't work just as well for Black: 55.d6 Ra1 56.Rxh6 and I'd argue White isn't lost at all here.
55. Rd8?? rather than 55.Rxh6 brings the end faster. If Black would continue as in the game, 55..Ra1 56. Rh8 Ng3? (56..Nd2 does win, but less rapidly), White has the h-line to check on: 57. Rf8+ Kg4 58. Rg8+ Kxh4 59. Rh8+ ... going to e3 won't avail the Dark King: Re8, and if Kd3, d6 and White's playing for victory!
|May-31-11|| ||kevin86: How about this! A REAL Nimzo-Indian!|
|May-31-11|| ||catfriend: <lemaire90: I don't get 57. Kh2... letting the bishop hang ?> Black's threatening Rxf1 with mate. Rook-checks won't help White: 57.Rf8+ Kg4 58.Rg8+ Kxh4. |
The poor Bishop's doomed anyway. Let's hope he was of the child-molesting variety.
|May-31-11|| ||Marmot PFL: <Why didn't Nimzowitsch play simply 39...Rxa2!>>|
Because the threat is stronger than the execution.
|May-31-11|| ||Chessmensch: How about In Sultan Kahn?|
|May-31-11|| ||Gilmoy: <lemaire90: I don't get 57. Kh2... letting the bishop hang ?>|
<catfriend: The poor Bishop's doomed anyway.>
I think White wrote off the B as lost as early as <50.Re8>, abandoning the a2-pawn for active Rook checks from behind, and a thin hope that <53.Rxd6> might mobilize his pawns.
After <52..Rxa2> White sacs the B outright with <53.Rxd6>. He knows the obvious fork <53..Ne4> is coming, preventing Kf2, and then he can't answer <54..Ra1>: the N will double, and White's R can't defend f1. Normally, the two passers would give Black a pause, but here Black has mate threats, and queens first himself.
|May-31-11|| ||WhiteRook48: finely played by Nimzowitsch|
|Sep-03-12|| ||birthtimes: Raymond Keene, in his book on Nimzowitsch entitled, "Master of Planning," wrote the following after Nimzo's 39th move..."Nimzowitsch did not want to grant counter-chances after 39...RXP 40. P-B5.|
|Sep-03-12|| ||birthtimes: Keene also gave a question mark to Nimzo's 35th move, and wrote, "Time-trouble! Black could win at once by means of 35...N-B4! 36.Q-N1 N-R5 followed by...N-B6 or 36.Q-K2 P-K5. After this slip, Black retains a positional plus, but he can no longer count on rapid victory."|
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