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Aug-21-08
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| benjinathan: I gave up and as I was waiting for the game to load I saw moves 24 to 27. Does that count? |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| birobidjan: I immediately saw 24.Bxb7+ in less than five seconds. I felt there were a pawn promotion that made white win. Poor Tal !! |
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Aug-21-08
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| desiobu: Stopped looking after the piece-winning combination. After 34. white would probably try to play Rf8+ and Nc5+ given the chance. |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| BlackWaive: Thursday.
Candidate Moves: xb7+, e7, xd7, xe8+
I spent quite some time on this puzzle - almost five minutes. The lack of forcing moves made me uneasy. I found 24. xb7+ xb7 25. e7 c7
...and White may continue with 26. fd2, but I'm not entirely sure. White should carry on to win due to his queening pawn and initiative, but I'm thinking that I've probably missed an easier/better solution. |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| mworld: < resty: my choice was Qe7> that's the move I settled on as well. |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| megatacos: Very nice use of the passed pawn, but i was very surprised to see white play 17. RF2 to put his rook under a pin. |
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Aug-21-08
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| johnlspouge: <<zooter> wrote : oh and btw, have you folks noticed that the applet board doesn't support "under promotion"? Pushing the f8 pawn results in queen directly....chessgames, time to improve the java applet?> Hi, <zooter>. Nikolai Pilafov wrote the Deluxe Chess Viewer and can be contacted through http://www.geocities.com/pilafovi/C.... Nikolai is pleasant and very open to hearing people's suggestions, although he is rightfully reticent to "improve" his wonderful applet. He probably <would> want to implement underpromotion, so you should contact him directly. You can say "hi" from me as well, if you do :) |
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Aug-21-08
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| patzer2: White's 21. Rd1! is an instructive move, not involving a capture or check, which overwhelms the weak Black King position with decisive threats. If 21...Nc5, then 22. Rfd2! 0-0 23. Rd4 traps the Black Queen. If 21...Nxe5, then 22. Qf6! O-O 23. Qxe5 wins a decisive piece with a double attack. If 21...Bxe4, then White can finish with 22. Nxe4 Qc6 23. Nd6+ Kf8 24. Rxf7+ Kg8 25. Qe7 Qc7 26. Kh1 Qxe5 27. Ne8 Rxe8 28. Qxe8+ Nf8 29. Qxf8#. So the game continuation with 21...f5 was probably about as strong a try as Tal had to maximize resistance, but his hopes for a swindle were dashed after 24. Bxb7+! |
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Aug-21-08
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| kevin86: I missed the fantastic combination-involving loaning out a queen and rook at shark rates. White,in fact,gains a knight. for ; for a ;then for (promotion)
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Aug-21-08
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| YouRang: I was pretty sure I had a good solution, although not quite the same as the game. Black has some difficulties in trying to stop the passed f-pawn AND keeping his pieces safe. I can exploit this situation by putting my queen in the middle of it. Here is what I found: 24.Bxb7+ Kxb7 <removing a potential defender and drawing the black K away from the defense of his knight> 25.Qe7! <pinning and double attacking the knight, plus it forces the rooks to guard each other (in addition to stopping Pf7)> Qc7 <protecting the knight and unpinning it> 26.Rfd2 <piling on the knight and pinning it against the d8 rook>
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If black moves the knight, e.g. 26...Nb6, then 27.Qxc7+ Kxc7 28.Rxd8 Rxf7 (28...Rxd8 29.Rxd8 Kxd8 30.f8=Q)  If black tries to guard the knight with the king, such as 26...Kc8, then it amounts to removal of the guard: 27.Rxd7 Rxd7 28.Rxd7 Qxd7 29.Qxf8+  Putting it in the computer, I see it works fine. (In fact, there are a few lines that work fine). |
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Aug-21-08
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| YouRang: Now that I read the posts, I see that I'm, what, about the seventh person to find this line? :-\ |
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Aug-21-08
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| TheaN: 4/4
Once again a puzzle where he have to find the game continuation more or less, as pretty much wins in this position. Nonetheless, I played the most forcing, and thus ingame line, completely till f8=Q. Current material:
White: 6P, N, B, 2R, Q
Black: 5P, N, B, 2R, Q
+ / -: + P
-ML-
<24.Bxb7†!> seemingly trading off, but White plans a lot more. Rejecting with Kc7 just loses a Bishop, seeing the final position of the acceptance it might be better. /A\
<24....Kxb7> if Black wants to try something he has to take it. This removes one defender from d8 however, and the second defender is overworked. <25.Qxd8!> as I've already read above, Qe7, attacking the Knight, wins too, but this is forced. If Black does not capture the Queen he is a Rook down in a worthless position. <25....Rxd8 26.Rxd7†!> and Black picks up Rook and Knight for the Queen. Now Black can't differ either, as 26....Kc8 27.Rxd8† Kxd8 28.f8=Q just leads to a Rook and Knight down. Black has to recapture. <26....Rxd7 27.f8=Q > and White regains his Queen, a Knight up. Enough, I'd say, Tal continued without compensation. |
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Aug-21-08
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| TheaN: Oops, forgetting Kc7.
/B\
<24....Kc7> maybe better as it trades less material. <25.Bxa6 > but White cleans up soon enough. |
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Aug-21-08
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| YouRang: <megatacos: Very nice use of the passed pawn, but i was very surprised to see white play 17. RF2 to put his rook under a pin.> Yes, a lot of us would probably opt for 17.Kh1 on "positional grounds", not wanting a pinned piece. But, really good players look deeper: - There were no immediate threats on the rook, nor was the rook responsible for guarding anything, so the pin had little near-term consequences. - White could probably tell that the pin wouldn't last long anyway. The black Q is easily diverted. - The rook, although pinned, still threatens f7 (which white employed by playing 19.Qh5, threatening Qxf7+). - Putting the rook on f2 develops the option for Raf1, doubling his rooks on the open f-file. - Finally, he might prefer to not tuck his king away in a corner where back-rank vulnerabilites might develop. So, I think 17.Rf2 probably is the better move. |
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Aug-21-08
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| benveniste: I found 24. e7, threatening xd7, etc. I can't find a refutation. Credit or no credit? |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| melv: After pawn promotes to queen you can right click on it and underpromote. |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| 456: Wednesday puzzle Aug-20-08 <32. ...?> O Sarapu vs Browne, 1972 |
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Aug-21-08
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| johnlspouge: <<melv> wrote: After pawn promotes to queen you can right click on it and underpromote.> More precisely, to promote a pawn on the 7-th rank, right-click and select "Pawn promotes into >" and select your choice from the submenu. Thanks, <melv>. Nikolai did far too good a job to let underpromotion escape his eye. |
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Aug-21-08
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| WarmasterKron: I saw the idea of Qxd8 quickly, and after a little while the ideas of Bxb7 and Rxd7, so just a matter of getting the move order right. <TheaN> I might be missing something, but I can't see White having much fun after 24...Kc7 25.Bxa6 Qxh4. |
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Aug-21-08
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| whiteshark: I wonder why I could realize this pattern more easily than some Tuesday/Wednesday puzzles? |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| Kings Indian: King's Indian Dad speaking. I got this one verbatim to the pawn conversion. That seemed to give white the big advantage, and I went for the answer. I wonder, in solving these long puzzles, how far do we have to take the game? |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| jaydes: Kings Indian : If you're a silicon monster, I suppose calculating till mate in 100 makes sense. If you're flesh & blood like the rest of us, I suppose you stop calculating when you see a combination that wins you a piece with not even a spite check for black. :P |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| Kings Indian: Oh wonderful, so I can say I am three for four this week so far. Thanks Jaydes. BTW, Kings Indian is my son. I am a watcher, and puzzler. |
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| Aug-21-08 |
| zooter: <johnlspouge:
Thanks, <melv>. Nikolai did far too good a job to let underpromotion escape his eye..Almost contacted Nikolai.... :) |
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Aug-24-08
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| Viewer Deluxe: Thanks for your kind words, <johnlspouge>. I couldn’t put this summary any better than you. <zooter>, underpromotion has always been there from day one (v 3.0). How would I dare call a chess viewer “Deluxe” without underpromotion? Look on the chessboard context menus and you will easily find it. |
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