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Theodor von Scheve vs Richard Teichmann
Berlin (1907), Berlin GER, rd 9, Oct-??
Italian Game: Classical. Closed Variation (C53)  ·  0-1


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Aug-25-18  Walter Glattke: Ok, I found 13.Nf3? Qg3! 14.Bxf7+ Kf8 15.Nh4 Qxh4 15.Qf3 Bd7 16.e5 Bc6 17.Qe2 Ng4 18.Bf4 Kxf7 and black wins then. 13.Qf3? Bg4!
Aug-25-18  Walter Glattke: After 17.-Bxf2 (0-1) 18.Bxf7+ Kf8 19.Bf4 Qxf4 20.Bh5 Nf6 as above I had 21.Rxf2 Nxh5 22.Qd5 Ng3+ 23.Kg1 c6= there failed a move above, It seems the solution, no better continuation to see.
Aug-25-18  WorstPlayerEver: 13. Nf3 Qg3 14. Bxf7+ Kf8 15. Ne1 Ng4 16. Qxg4 Bxg4 17. Bc4

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  gawain: The game is instructive, and the dance of the Black pieces starting with 12...Bxh3 is pretty. So is the clever way that White can continue the struggle with 18 Bxf7+ which can draw if Black goes wrong. With best play by Black it blunts the Black attack but leaves White down by two pawns. In other words the resource is insufficient--but why not try it? Maybe White, like me, was so focused on the SE corner of the board that he did not see what was available elsewhere.
Aug-25-18  Walter Glattke: 13.Qf3 Bg4 14.Qd3 Nh5 15.Kh1 f5!
Aug-25-18  Walter Glattke: 16.Qd5 Qf6 17.Qxb7 Ng3+ 18.Kh2 Qh4+ 19.Kg1 Qh1# / 18.fxg3 Qh6# /
Aug-25-18  sudoplatov: It looks like after some analysis that <thejack >'S suggestion of 16....0-0-0 is very strong. White can win the g7 Pawn but that opens a line Black's Rooks.
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  tpstar: <Hey -- a new puzzle!>
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  wtpy: Well I was about to say piece of cake having quickly seen the game line. looks like black keeps a winning edge even with best defense.
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  jith1207: I didn't know this was repeated recently, glad I was able to find the whole sequence. Not taking the Sac would have been better.
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  agb2002: A bit too famous and a lot too recent.
Sep-13-18  saturn2: I saw the first moves of the game line but went with 17..Nxf2 instead of 17..Bxf2 After 18 RxN BxR Black has a rook plus 3 pawns for bishop and knight which should be advantegous but far away from a clear win.
Sep-13-18  scholes: I had 17 ..Nxf2 instead of 17..Bxf2

Check out this game played by stockfish


[Event "CCCC 1: Rapid Rumble (15|5) Stage 1"]
[Site ""]
[Date "2018.09.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 220818"]
[Black "Fire 7.1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "3439"]
[BlackElo "3144"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[ECO "C07"]
[Opening "French"]
[Variation "Tarrasch, open variation"]
[TimeControl "900+5"]
[Time "20:25:59"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "137"]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 c5 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. e5 Nfd7 6. c3 b6 7. Bb5 Be7 8. O-O O-O 9. Re1 Ba6 10. a4 Bb7 11. Nf1 c4 12. b4 Re8 13. Bxd7 Nxd7 14. Ng3 Nf8 15. Nh5 Ng6 16. h4 Qc7 17. g3 Kh8 18. Kg2 Bf8 19. Nf4 Nxf4+ 20. Bxf4 Qd7 21. Qc2 f5 22. h5 Kg8 23. h6 g6 24. Bg5 Be7 25. a5 Bxg5 26. Nxg5 b5 27. Kf3 Re7 28. Qd2 a6 29. Kg2 Rf8 30. Re3 Ree8 31. Rf3 Qe7 32. Re1 Kh8 33. Nh3 Rg8 34. Qg5 Rgf8 35. Qxe7 Rxe7 36. Ng5 Bc6 37. g4 Be8 38. Rg1 Bf7 39. Kg3 Kg8 40. Kh4 Be8 41. gxf5 exf5 42. Re1 Bd7 43. e6 Bc8 44. Rfe3 Rfe8 45. Re5 Bb7 46. Nh3 Rd8 47. Kg5 Rd6 48. Nf4 Ba8 49. Rg1 Bc6 50. Ree1 Rc7 51. Rg3 Re7 52. Kf6 Re8 53. Reg1 Kh8 54. Re3 Red8 55. Ke7 Bb7 56. Re5 Bc6 57. Nh3 f4 58. Rg4 Kg8 59. Rxf4 Bb7 60. Ng5 Bc6 61. Rf3 R8d7+ 62. exd7 Rxd7+ 63. Ke6 Rd8 64. Rf7 Re8+ 65. Kd6 Rxe5 66. Rg7+ Kf8 67. dxe5 d4 68. Ne6+ Ke8 69. Re7# 1-0

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  cocker: Why did White resign? 18 Bxf7+ makes a fight of it.
Sep-13-18  stacase: Taking note of the fact that White's f2 Pawn is pinned, busting up the castled king with 12...Bxh3 seems like the thing to do. Sort of plays itself once you do that.
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  Once: Too famous, too recent and too busted. Apart from that, great puzzle.

But before we get too critical of Chernev, von Scheve or Teichman, they were all playing/ writing before the advent of computers. All they had were whisky, cigars and weapons-grade mustaches. Perhaps it's no surprise that they missed the occasional tactic. I blame it on all those King's Gambits.

I remember playing through this games dozens of times when I was learning to play chess by reading Chernev's Logical Chess; Move by Move. It was like spending time with your favourite grandfather. Sure, he was behind the times and prone to "more tea vicar?" flatulence, but he was your grandfather and you loved him to bits.

Sep-13-18  saturn2: <NBZ White to play and not lose immediately must find 18. Bxf7+! Kf8 (Kxf7 Qd5+ draws) 19. Bf4! Qxf4 20. Bh5!> I would play 20...Qh6 and it looks hopeless for white to me.
Sep-13-18  mel gibson: A good warning to all players -
don't resign too easily.

It was a drawn game & Scheve resigned.

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  patzer2: For my attempt at today's Thursday puzzle (12...?), I visualized 12. Bxh3! 13. gxh3 Qg3+ 14. Kh1 Qxh3+ 15. Kg1 Ng4 16. Nf3 Qg3+ 17. Kh1 (diagram below):

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Here (diagram above) I went with 17... Nxf2+ ∓ (-0.86 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 9) instead of the game move 17...Bxf2 ⩱ (-0.40 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 9).

White needlessly resigned after 17...Bxf2, as he could have suvived with 18. Bxf7+! ⩱ (-0.40 @ 37 ply, Stockfish 9) since 18.Bxf7+! Kxf7 (18...Ke7 19. Bg5+ Kf8 20. Bf4! Qxf4 21. Bh5 Nf6 22. Rxf2 =) gives White a draw by perpetual after 19. Qd5+ Ke8 20. Qe6+ Kf8 21. Qf5+ Ke8 (not 21...Ke7? 22. Bg5+ Nf3 23. e5! +-) 22. Ke8 Qe6+ =.

As it turns out, the humans (including the players in this game and myself) missed the much stronger winning continuation 17...Qh3+ 18. Kh1 g5!! -+ (-5.10 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 9).

Also stronger than 17...Bxf2 ⩱ would have been 17...Qh3+ 18. Kh1 0-0-0! -+ (-3.40 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 9).

P.S.: So where did White go wrong? To start with, White's 10. dxe5?! Nxe5 = to ⩱ gave Black equality or better too easily. Instead, 10. Re1 ±(+0.75 @ 32 ply, Stockfish 9) would have maintained the tension with an advantage.

White's decisive mistake was of course resigning prematurely after 17...Bxf2 ⩱ and not playing 18. Bxf7+! = to ⩱.

Before that, the decisive mistake was 12. Nd2?, allowing today's Thursday puzzle solution 12...Bxh3! -+. Necessary instead was 12. Qf3 ⩱ (-0.30 @ 33 ply, Stockfish 9) with drawing chances.

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  Sally Simpson: The now infamous game 1 in 'Logical Chess' by Chernev.

The original 1957 book was translated into algebraic in 1998 and is a word for word, move for move 'warts an all' copy.

I know the perpetual check idea missed by Black was known before 1998. I recall it surfacing in the 70's and a Chess reader wrote in saying it was also mentioned in correspondence in the 1960's.

Should we correct errors when translating old books? Maybe not in the actual text but certainly a small errata page at the end of the book could be added...perhaps.

Maybe they thought if they correct that one then they will have to add corrections to every slight slip and the book will look like a butchers carcass.

Still an excellent book despite the few missed shots. As Once posted: Chernev was your favourite grandfather.

Someone, sometime has had a stab at correcting this mistake - or it may well be what actually happened and Chernev had the wrong score in 1957. (probably not but it would be interesting to know where the following game actually came from.)

Von Scheve vs Teichmann, 1907

The same game but without 8....a5 and 9.Ba7.

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This does indeed make a difference because in that game there is no perpetual. The Black King can run to a7 via b6.

See my line from the linked game.

Sep-13-18  Mayankk: I had the same sequence except that I swapped the 15... Ng4 and 16... Kg3 moves. Makes no difference methinks.

The 18 Bxf7+ line and possible draw if 18... Kxf7 is interesting but I only understood it when referring to previous messages.

Sep-13-18  Mayankk: I had the same sequence except that I swapped the 15... Ng4 and 16... Qg3 moves. Makes no difference methinks.

The 18 Bxf7+ line and possible draw if 18... Kxf7 is interesting but I only understood it when referring to previous messages.

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  Jonathan Sarfati: <patzer2:> Then surely... g5! on move 16 rather than 18?
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  Penguincw: Ah, this classic pattern. But I missed it. And it was a recent puzzle too...
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  patzer2: <Jonathan Sarfati> Right! No need to waste time with a repetition as 16...g5!! -+ (-5.12 @ 34 ply, Stockfish 9) is the same position which occurs after 16...Qg6+ 17. Kh1 Qh3+ 18. Kg1 g5!! -+ (-5.02 @ 34 ply, Stockfish 9).
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