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| Nov-19-08 | | PinnedPiece: Goal for Wdnesday puzzles: solve in 5 minutes. What I came up with in five minutes was a queen psuedo-sac, because after a series of forced moves (if Q-sac accepted) my Ra1 ends up taking the black queen (from f7). If this doesn't work out, then I lose since my five minutes examination time is now up. |
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| Nov-19-08 | | garrido: IS EASY THE SOLUTION
BENJAMIN GARRIDO since chile for world |
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| Nov-19-08 | | PinnedPiece: Ha ha ok my visualizastion sucked.
Maybe if I had played the moves I would have seen Ra7, with follow-up knight fork. |
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| Nov-19-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: I saw 29.Qxa8+,Bxa8 30.Rxa8+,Ke7 31.Ra7!,Qxa7 32.Nc8+,Ke8 33.Nxa7 Tougher than a normal Wed. IMO |
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| Nov-19-08 | | Woody Wood Pusher: < TheaN: 100% (3/3)
Looks like I went a bit too far.... > _> does anyone care about what I have posted beyond the BB variation? Prolly not :P.>>I liked it. I looked a bit further as well just like you, it is a nice position. |
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| Nov-19-08 | | apple pi: <oooh black was my former chess teacher> what an interesting surprise! I guess you know how to beat him now:-) |
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| Nov-19-08 | | yoozum: < Once: I learned a valuable lesson tonight. > I learned that I might have to sit down to look at these with a glass of whisky more often. |
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| Nov-19-08 | | stacase: Yoosum,
Last time I checked, alcohol and Chess don't mix. |
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| Nov-19-08 | | Dr. J: <TheaN> Regarding your BBDBB variation: 33 c6+ and White either queens the pawn or forks the Black rook. |
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| Nov-20-08 | | yoozum: <stacase: Yoosum,
Last time I checked, alcohol and Chess don't mix.> They actually mix pretty well for me...up to about 2 drinks ;-) |
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Nov-20-08
 | | Viewer Deluxe: My thanks go to GM Cheparinov who played very similar “unprotected” rook move just three days ago at the Chess Olympiad. Take a look at 30. Rh8+ in this game I Cheparinov vs Pavasovic, 2008 |
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Oct-21-12
 | | FSR: Black must have intended 20...Bxc5, then noticed to his horror that 21.e5! wins. |
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| Jan-18-24 | | mel gibson: I didn't see that.
Stockfish 16 says:
29. Qxa8+
(29. Qxa8+ (1.Qxa8+ Bxa8 2.Rxa8+ Ke7 3.Ra7 Qxa7 4.Nc8+ Kf8 5.Nxa7 Ra4 6.Nxb5 Rc4 7.Ra1 Nd7 8.Ra8+ Ke7 9.Ra7 Rxc5
10.Bf1 Rc1 11.e5 f6 12.exf6+ gxf6 13.Kg2 f5 14.Nc7 Nc5 15.Nd5+ Kd8 16.Ne3
Rb1 17.Ra5 Nd7 18.Bc4 Ke7 19.Bxe6 Kxe6 20.Nxf5 Ne5 21.Nxh6 Nd3 22.h4 Rb4
23.Ra3 Ne5 24.Kh3 Nc4 25.Ra6+ Ke7 26.Ng4 Rb5 27.Kg2 Kf7 28.Ne3 Ne5 29.Ra3
Rb1 30.Ra5 Nd3 31.Ng4 Kg7) +5.45/52 925)
score for White +5.45 depth 52. |
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| Jan-18-24 | | King.Arthur.Brazil: I find the combination: 9. Qxa8+ Bxa8 30. Rxa8+(... Ne8?? 31. Rxe8#) Ke7. But them, I continued with 31. Nxb5 or 31. e5 which can also be advantageous for W, but passed away from the killer 31. Ra7!, when Qxa7 32. Nc8 and capture our beloved enemy's ♕. Some days things doesn't work. |
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Jan-18-24
 | | perfidious: The sockdolager at the end was not even difficult. |
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Jan-18-24
 | | Teyss: Simple... when you think about it. The question is, can the WN escape after 31...Qxa7 32.Nc8+ Kd7 33.Nxa7 Rb4_? 
click for larger view The answer is yes after e.g 34.e5 (opening the diagonal) Nd5 (blocking) 35.Bxd5 exd5 36.c6+ and 37.e6 after which the WR invades the 6th or 7th rank. |
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| Jan-18-24 | | Mayankk: 29 Qxa8+ Bxa8 30 Rxa8+ Ke7 is not hard to see but what next? I had one of those chess blind spots and thought 31 e5 Nd5 32 Re8 is mate. It is not, the King escapes via d7. How I wish I hadn't stopped there. And with some more effort would have probably found the beautiful fork idea 31 Ra7 Qxa7 32 Nc8+. Another day maybe. Another line I spent some time on was 31 Nxb5 (forking Queen and Rook) Qc6 32 Ra7+ (one move too late but never mind) Kd8 33 Nxd4 Qxc5 etc. This line also looks good for White. It has two Rooks and a strong fianchetto Bishop for a Queen while it's Knight is active as well. Both Black King and Queen are prone to harassment and will likely fall in one trap or the other. But of course 31 Ra7 is way cleaner. |
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Jan-18-24
 | | Knightf7mate: At move …26, black’s rook threatens white’s knight. Where should it go? It went to d6. Am I supposed to believe that white was able to see 5 moves deep that after 31. Ra7 white will redeem his queen sacrifice and be up a piece after forking black’s king and queen? I’m not that gifted but I know many chess players are! I got as far as 31. Ra7 QxR and could not find the knight fork 32. Nf8. Instead all I found was 29.Nb5 which Stockfish says is equal. It was wonderful to feel the aha moment when I played through the game moves. I wonder how black felt! Probably felt like he got hit by a duffel bag right in the chest. Fischer said he loved to feel a man break. That’s how chess is. You love seeing those moves explode on the board - you just don’t want it to happen to you. Imagine Letellier 1960 after Fischer moves 23..Qf4. It must have felt like a bolt of lightning. |
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Jan-18-24
 | | chrisowen: I horn c so pe q mid its wall jury its z Qxa8+ arrive its grog goofball ace its me its against quad Qxa8+ off :) |
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| Jan-18-24 | | TheaN: Is it regression if I only do half the work compared to my 16-year younger self? Fedorowicz vs K Leung, 2001 Man were my replies <huge> back in the day. Sure, all the variations apply, but I've become much more direct in the last 10 odd years. Mind that this is compared myself at 19 and 35, not kid vs adult or anything. Ahum. To recap, White plays <29.Qxa8+! Bxa8> else just loses a rook <30.Rxa8+ Ke7> interposing has no point <31.Ra7!>:
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The final position of the game. White's going to win back the queen for rook, going a knight up. Best for Black (as per my... BBDBB... variation in 2008) is <31....Qxa7 32.Nc8+ Kf8> slightly better than Kd7 <33.Nxa7 b4 34.Rc1 +-> and White's fine to give up e4 for b4, given the c-pawn will stay on the board. |
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| Jan-18-24 | | TheaN: <Teyss: Simple... when you think about it. The question is, can the WN escape after 31...Qxa7 32.Nc8+ Kd7 33.Nxa7 Rb4_? > 34.Bf1 works too. I'll admit it's probably better for Black to play Kd7 and not Kf8, keep pieces active. |
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| Jan-18-24 | | thegoodanarchist: Black Leung Disease. |
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Jan-19-24
| | Teyss: Hi TheaN,
<34.Bf1 works too.> You're right. Could say I didn't want to allow 34...Nxe4 because I'm conservative when it concerns Chess, but I didn't see it, have trouble thinking about backward moves. Should switch to Checkers. |
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Jan-19-24
| | perfidious: <Teyss>, even strong players can struggle with 'long moves'; Botvinnik wrote of how Euwe gave him difficulties for that reason. Retreats can be the toughest of all. |
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Jan-20-24
| | Teyss: Hi perfidious,
Thanks for your comforting words and for comparing me to Botvinnik ;) Funny thing is, I have little trouble with long moves as other players do, just with retreats. |
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